Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:15:41 -0500
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judge-digest              Wednesday, 26 March 1997      Volume 01 : Number 1412

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 Re: judge-digest V1 #1407
 re:style guidelines ...
 Hybrid meads AND *beers*
 PC during Competition...

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From: C JOHN MARE <MARE at vetsci.microvet.arizona.edu>
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:43:34 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Re: judge-digest V1 #1407

Dion,
      I can attest to the fact that you worked very hard to get 
judges, even from as far afield as Tucson! Recognizing that it would 
be hard to find more than 40 judges, could you not limit the 
competition to a given number of entries (say 200), or perhaps limit the 
number of entries per category.
      I'll try to make it to your fine competion again next year.
John Mare,
     The Stables Brewery,
     Tucson

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From: Tom Fitzpatrick <fitz at FNAL.GOV>
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 14:28:59 -0600
Subject: re:style guidelines ...

Dion writes:

> If I have to take up half a page of explanation to say which of the
> categories of the BJCP guidelines we will use and how we will collapse
> the many mead categories down into fewer categories, then the point of
> using the guidelines, IMHO, is wasted. 

I think the point has not been driven home hard enough! There AREN'T
many mead categories in the BJCP Guidelines!! There are in fact very
FEW categories. The expanded mead guidelines is a COMPLETELY
separate document that will probably only serve as a reference.
The mead "purists" are entitled to their opinion about whether mead 
should have fruit or spices included, just as beer purists thumb their
noses at fruit and spice beers. 

> Nothing restricts the ability of an organizer to edit or synthesize
> in order to reduce the amount of paper.  My understanding is that
> the BJCP style guidelines will fit on two double sized 8 1/2 x 11
> sheets of paper.  The Style Guidelines are a resource that would
> be a sham if edited solely for the sake of money and convenience.
> What I'm hearing is a good argument for utilizing ultra light weight
> paper or 6 pt. font size.
> 
> Norman Dickenson  
>   

As a clarification, the BJCP Guidelines fit on FOUR double-sided,
8 1/2 x 11 sheets. The AHA guidelines fit on three double-sided sheets.
A few people have contacted me about the size of the BJCP guidelines.
Would there be interest in a miniaturized version of the guidelines that
DOES fit on two sheets? The scaled down version would probably have 
to do without the commercial examples to fit on two sheets. 

- -Tom Fitzpatrick

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From: korz at xnet.com
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 14:50:25 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Hybrid meads AND *beers*

Bruce brings up an important point regarding meads, but it is just
as applicable to beers.

What if a brewer or meadmaker creates a beverage that contains both
fruits *and* herbs or fruits *and* spices or spices *and* herbs?

I have volunteered for the Beer Guidelines subcommittee, but could
someone on the Mead Guideline subcommittee take this up as a point
of discussion?

Thanks.

Al.

Al Korzonas, Palos Hills, IL
korz at xnet.com


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From: Barry DeLapp <mss at pictorl.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 19:18:00 +0000
Subject: PC during Competition...

There has been some discussion about using a computer and leaving it at
home for the actual event.  IMHO that's like ordering Surf & Turf and
just eating the salad.

There is very little work involved in running the computer during the
event, but some major paybacks.  In the Beer Competition Organizer
software I provide for a $25 service charge, we expect each panel of
judges to select the 1st, 2nd and 3rd place finisher and to fillout a
summary sheet showing the scores for all beers judges.  The summary
sheet is printed in the same order as an input screen for that flight. 
The result is literally seconds to input 10-20 scores and identify the
winners.  Then we print a Best of Show pull-list (not required). 
Moreover, we print a list of winners and THEIR TOWN & STATE.  This
allows the organizer to assign appropriate prizes (no shipping cases of
beer or restaurant certificates to out of towners).  The awards ceremony
is arranged during BOS judging and goes fairly smoothly.

This is just my recommendation based a number of events, but everyone
has different needs -- if all entries are local, my comments don't
apply.

Barry DeLapp
for info on competition software: Barry at pictorl.com.

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