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judge-digest             Wednesday, 1 January 1997     Volume 01 : Number 1362

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 Re: checking score sheets
 Competition staff cannot judge? ???

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From: Dion Hollenbeck <hollen at axel.vigra.com>
Date: 28 Dec 1996 07:17:01 -0800
Subject: Re: checking score sheets

>> Btalk  writes:

B> The comment was made that returning scoresheets on the day of the
B> contest didn't allow time for the organizer to review and
B> correct/fill in missing info like judge name and rank.

B> The easy way around this is to have the stewards review the score
B> sheets before they are handed in to the organizer table..  

B> If there are bad judges, you will usually be told by the
B> brewers. Then it is a simple matter of not inviting them back next
B> time.

I agree with this and this is what we do.  But I will be going even
further this year and instructing stewards to check the judge's
comments for "usefulness" and existence.  I will direct the stewards
to inform me if they see judging sheets which seem to be "sketchy" and
then I will have my Judge Coordinator go over them carefully, and if
necessary, right then and there, instruct the judge to do better.

Already, at our judges briefing before the judging, we tell them to
fill out the score sheets completely and to give the brewer's good
feedback.  And our stewards already check the math before turning in
the score sheets.

The brewers should not have to put up with a "bad judge" one year and
complain before getting rid of him/her next year.  It should be the
responsibility of the organizer to get the judge to provide all the
info he/she should the first time round.  This should be stressed when
the judges are instructed prior to the competition.  

dion

QUAFF President

Organizer
America's Finest City Homebrew Competition
Quality Ale and Fermentation Fraternity, Sponsor
http://www.vigra.com/~hollen/AFCHBC.html

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Dion Hollenbeck (619)597-7080x164                 Email: hollen at vigra.com
                                             http://www.vigra.com/~hollen
Sr. Software Engineer - Vigra Div. of Visicom Labs  San Diego, California

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From: "Roger Deschner  " <U52983 at UICVM.UIC.EDU>
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 12:29:14 CST
Subject: Competition staff cannot judge? ???

>                       BJCP POINT AWARD STRUCTURE
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><...>
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>NOTE: In order to maintain competition integrity, staff members with
>access to the entry data should refrain from judging as they may be
>able to associate entry numbers or entry descriptions with an
>entrant's identity.

That is nice to say as a general guideline, but as a practical matter it
is impossible, especially in larger competitions. (AHA NHC, Dixie Cup,
etc.)

You typically have to beg for volunteers for unpacking duty, especially
in a large competition where many of the entries are shipped. These
unpackers are the ones who assign entry numbers, as they separate
scoresheets from bottles.

Later, you need to again take whomever you can get, to type the entry
form data into computers. Again, in a large competition, this may require
a number of people. You select them based on ability to work a computer
database system accurately, irrespective of their status as judges.

If this legion of volunteers were to be unable to judge, we'd have a
severe shortage of either a) judges or 2) processing staff. You've got to
be able to recycle the unpackers and computer enterers as judges, or else
you will have a severe shortage of both. While it is entirely possible
(except in AHA NHC) that one might handle one's own entry, existing
organizer procedures already insure that one would not end up judging
one's own entry. The fact that I might remember my own entry number, as
it passed through, is inconsequential.

And, as a competition progresses, it is occasionally necessary to press
organizer staff into service as judges, usually as fill-ins for no-show
judges. (It would be nice not to have no-shows; let's not get into that
here.)

Of course, AT THE TIME OF JUDGING, none of the judges should have access
to the entry data. If a judge has a question about proper category, etc.,
a non-judging organizer should do the actual checking of the entry
information for the judge.

I know this is going to bother purists, but I think a clarification is
necessary, to permit prospective judges to handle entries and entry
information prior to a competition, and still judge in that competition.
Logistics demands it. We must rely on the honor of the individual judges
involved in these activities to refrain from recording or memorizing
entry numbers and matching entrant names.

Roger Deschner      University of Illinois at Chicago     rogerd at uic.edu
Aliases:                  u52983 at uicvm.uic.edu        R.Deschner at uic.edu
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