Return-Path: owner-judge at synchro.com Received: from srvr8.engin.umich.edu (root at srvr8.engin.umich.edu [141.212.2.81]) by srvr5.engin.umich.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA15720 for ; Sat, 25 May 1996 03:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from redheat.rs.itd.umich.edu (redheat.rs.itd.umich.edu [141.211.83.36]) by srvr8.engin.umich.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA24206 for ; Sat, 25 May 1996 03:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by redheat.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.7.5/2.2) with X.500 id DAA23416; Sat, 25 May 1996 03:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uu6.psi.com by redheat.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.7.5/2.2) with SMTP id DAA23411; Sat, 25 May 1996 03:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by uu6.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA18506 for ; Sat, 25 May 96 02:30:34 -0400 Received: (from majordom at localhost) by synchro.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA10827 for judge-digest-outgoing; Sat, 25 May 1996 01:45:56 -0400 Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 01:45:56 -0400 Message-Id: <199605250545.BAA10827 at synchro.com> From: owner-judge-digest at synchro.com To: judge-digest at synchro.com Subject: judge-digest V1 #1284 Reply-To: judge at synchro.com Errors-To: owner-judge-digest at synchro.com Precedence: bulk judge-digest Saturday, 25 May 1996 Volume 01 : Number 1284 ============================================================================ J u d g e N e t - t h e b e e r j u d g e d i g e s t ============================================================================ Moderator: Chuck Cox Archivist: Spencer Thomas Publisher: SynchroSystems Submissions: judge at synchro.com Administration: judge-request at synchro.com Archive: http://realbeer.com/spencer/judge BJCP info: geninfo at bjcp.synchro.com ============================================================================ contents: Judge Competency NHC Judging ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Norman Dickenson Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 09:02:53 -0700 Subject: Judge Competency Subject: Time: 8:35 AM OFFICE MEMO Judge Competency Date: 5/24/96 In JD 1283 brian Walter said: >Judge competency >is partially the problem of organizer. It is up to him/her to make sure >a sufficient number of qualified judges are judging. This is indirectly >the AHAs fault for picking an incompetant orgainzer. The other part of >the judge competency problem falls on the organization who certifies and >educates them. That would be the BJCP (us). And yes, education is >mentioned in the BJCP purpose. Of course education plays a part in judge competency. But how can the BJCP be held accountable when organizers of competitions invite judges who are not certificed or educated through association with the BJCP? The legitimacy of the AHA NHC is is served by the legitimacy of the BJCP and the expertise of it's members. The separation of the two has served many useful purposes. There is, though, common ground which would be well served by cooperation or alliance of the two in the arena of competition sanctioning. - -norman- ------------------------------ From: Mark Johnston Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 18:28:52 -0400 Subject: NHC Judging At the risk of opening a(nother) Pandora's Box, I have a question: Many people have been citing previous awards as evidence of poor judging. (This took BOS at (local comp here) but only scored a (your "bad" score here) at the NHC.) While there are many blatant examples of poor judging available, I'm not entirely sure that this one is the best argument. Time, environment, and handling can all colloborate to make two bottles from the same batch taste radically different. How was your recent/last entry shipped? What was done with it when it arrived? Where was it stored? How was it handled on the day of the competition? Again, I'm afraid that the organizers sholder most of the blame. Does anyone else accept this? On another note, there have been several comments made regarding the similarity/dissimilarity of judge comments. (One says too hoppy, the other not hopped enough, etc.) Disregarding, for the moment, issues of style applicability and judge experience level, is it not also true that different people have different threshold levels for ceratin smells and tastes? Would this not account for disparate comments in some cases? I, for one, have a hard time sensing low diacetyl levels, but even a trace of chlorophenol starts me gagging. While I am working on these and other imbalances in my technique, I realize that not everyone is the same, and seriouisly consider other judges comments. I may say, "I don't get that." but I won't say that it's not there. And unless something is VERY strong, I won't force an issue either. This is usually only a problem if there are only 2 judges at a table. More than 2 usually is great for reaching consensus, even if one of them is inexperienced. (Organizers take note.) Anyone else admit to this? ------------------------------ End of judge-digest V1 #1284 **************************** Send subscription cancellations & changes to judge-request at synchro.com. Messages sent to the wrong address will be ignored.