Return-Path: listadm at synchro.com Received: from srvr8.engin.umich.edu (root at srvr8.engin.umich.edu [141.212.2.81]) by srvr5.engin.umich.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA16894 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 05:37:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from totalrecall.rs.itd.umich.edu (totalrecall.rs.itd.umich.edu [141.211.144.16]) by srvr8.engin.umich.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA18624 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 05:36:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by totalrecall.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.7.4/2.3) with X.500 id FAA11468; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 05:36:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from uu6.psi.com by totalrecall.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.7.4/2.3) with SMTP id FAA11464; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 05:36:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by uu6.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA23706 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 96 05:07:22 -0500 Received: (from listadm at localhost) by synchro.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA00673 for judge-recipients at synchro.com; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 01:10:00 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 01:10:00 -0500 Message-Id: <199603130610.BAA00673 at synchro.com> To: judge-recipients at synchro.com (JudgeNet Recipients) From: judge-owner at synchro.com (JudgeNet Administrator) Reply-To: judge at synchro.com (JudgeNet) Errors-To: judge-error at synchro.com Precedence: bulk Subject: JudgeNet Digest #1234 (Mar 12, 1996) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ JudgeNet Digest #1234 Tue 12 Mar 1996 JudgeNet The Beer Judge Digest digest submissions: judge at synchro.com administrative requests: judge-request at synchro.com send cancellations & rank updates to the administrative address messages sent to the wrong address will be ignored WWW Archives: http://www.umich.edu/~spencer/beer/judge Editor: Chuck Cox Archivist: Spencer Thomas Publishers: SynchroSystems and the Riverside Garage & Brewery Anti-Prohibitionists may also be interested in LiBeerty: The Libertarian Beer Digest Subscription info: libeerty-request at synchro.com For BJCP General Information contact: geninfo at bjcp.synchro.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Contents: Exam (Bill Giffin) Call For Judges (David Klein) BJCP/AHA (Dennis Davison) Calibration beers ("Rad Equipment") Calibration beers Time:2:47 PM Date:3/12/96 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 12:06:56 -0600 From: Bill Giffin Subject: Exam Top of the morning to ye all, Over half of the current exam is invalid as a means determine whether or not someone has the ability to judge beer or not. Passing the exam with a 90 or better is the only real requirement for someone to become a "Master Judge" when most of the oither half or so of the exam is little better then trivia. The BJCP has not improved much over the ten or so years of existance has it? May you be in heaven an hour before the devil knows you are dead, Bill Bill Giffin 61 Pleasant St. Richmond, ME 04357 (207)-737-2015 All you need is a few good friends and plenty to drink because thirst is a terrible thing! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 10:54:55 -0800 (PST) From: David Klein Subject: Call For Judges Bored? Lonely? Sober? We can fix that! This saturday, the Bay Area Mashers (Thats the SF Bay area) are holding prelims for the World Cup of Beer. While, lots of people are joining us for finals, we could use more prelim judges. Whats in it for you? Well as many of you know the great variety of beers in the prelim rounds let you enjoy many of the beers that you just never get to see in the final rounds. And if that is not enough, we'll throw in breakfast and lunch. These meals will be prepared so as to best complement the diverse range of phenols, acids, and microorganisms that prelim judges enjoy. The judging will be at Barclays Pub in Rockridge (North Oakland) On Saturday, March 16. Breakfast at 9 am, be there by 9:30. We should be done by noon. let me know if you can join us! David Klein (klein at physics.berkeley.edu) Judge Coordinator for WC '96. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 16:21:54 -0600 From: ddavison at execpc.com (Dennis Davison) Subject: BJCP/AHA Dion mentions: >These fees to both BJCP and AHA are based on the club paying the >organization to record judges' points. Since the BJCP has an ongoing >judge certification program, I can understand paying the BJCP. >However, we could not understand why we should have to pay AHA to >record judges' points in a program which does not exist. Since we knew >that the only people who could get screwed because of us not paying >would be the judges, we paid anyway. But we would like the story so >we can decide about next year. The BJCP and the AHA are currently working toward an agreement. Since the Board must decide, the letters from the BJCP are slightly slower in going out to the AHA. We do have the best interest of the BJCP at heart in this matter. I am hoping to have everything settled by July 1st. Dennis Davison ddavison at execpc.com BJCC Midwest Region Chairperson of the BJCP ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 1996 15:41:47 U From: "Rad Equipment" Subject: Calibration beers Subject: Calibration beers Time:2:47 PM Date:3/12/96 This is not a direct response to Al's post about Old Ales but is sparked by his belief that the calbration beer may have misled the judges as to what to look for in the entries that followed it. There are at least two schools of thought concerning calibration beers. One believes all panels should get the same beer (some neutral style) and that a panel of "expert palates" should evaluate the beer along with the competition judges. Then the competition judges compare their scores and comments to those of the experts to see where they hit or miss. This is supposed to "normalize" everyone to the same beer and indicate to judges who differ from the experts where they need to compensate. While this method works well for training judges to recognize characteristics and nicely shows how things are preceived differently by different people, I don't think it is the best way to begin a competition. Keep this method for the training sessions. Another school treats the calibration beer as an icebreaker and a "throw-away" entry for the judges on each panel. It serves to give the judges a chance to see how they function as a unit and gets the group in sync without risking an actual entry's score in the process. The beer used for this function can be anything as long as it will not compromise the judges palates for the rest of the session. My own slant on the calibration beer agrees that it serves as a "dry run" for the judges. It is an icebreaker and offers the panel a chance to get comfortable with each other and the procedures without worrying about the score being adversely harmed (or inflated). Many judges worry about placing a score on the first beer of a session. If they score it too high or too low they are afraid they won't leave enough room for the rest of the flight. This is only a problem for judges who do not judge against external ideals but prefer to rank the beers via their scores within a flight. In any case, the calibration beer provides them a throw-away to place that first score on. More to the point concerning Al's comment, I do not believe a calibration beer should be presented as an ideal example of the style unless you are judging a clone category, like Steam(r) or Guinness. Having a calibration beer which is in the style of the flight is preferable in my mind. However it should be presented as nothing special, just something which falls within the specs. It is virtually impossible to come up with one quitessencial beer for every style. For the competition I run, the calibration beers are generally entries which didn't make the cut into the second round or they are my own or friends' homebrews. If I can't supply such an entry I use a commercial beer that I doctor in some small way so the judges have something to pick out. RW... Russ Wigglesworth (INTERNET: Rad_Equipment at radmac1.ucsf.edu - CI$: 72300,61) UCSF Dept. of Radiology, San Francisco, CA (415) 476-3668 / Home (707) 769-0425 ------------------------------ End of JudgeNet Digest ************************ -------