Return-Path: listadm at synchro.com Received: from srvr8.engin.umich.edu (root at srvr8.engin.umich.edu [141.212.2.81]) by srvr5.engin.umich.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA12189 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 01:46:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from truelies.rs.itd.umich.edu (truelies.rs.itd.umich.edu [141.211.83.38]) by srvr8.engin.umich.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA09535 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 01:46:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by truelies.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.7.4/2.2) with X.500 id BAA06555; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 01:46:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from uu6.psi.com by truelies.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.7.4/2.2) with SMTP id BAA06550; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 01:46:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by uu6.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA29720 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 96 01:34:22 -0500 Received: (from listadm at localhost) by synchro.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA01660 for judge-recipients at synchro.com; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 01:10:01 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 01:10:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199603040610.BAA01660 at synchro.com> To: judge-recipients at synchro.com (JudgeNet Recipients) From: judge-owner at synchro.com (JudgeNet Administrator) Reply-To: judge at synchro.com (JudgeNet) Errors-To: judge-error at synchro.com Precedence: bulk Subject: JudgeNet Digest #1227 (Mar 03, 1996) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ JudgeNet Digest #1227 Sun 03 Mar 1996 JudgeNet The Beer Judge Digest digest submissions: judge at synchro.com administrative requests: judge-request at synchro.com send cancellations & rank updates to the administrative address messages sent to the wrong address will be ignored WWW Archives: http://www.umich.edu/~spencer/beer/judge Editor: Chuck Cox Archivist: Spencer Thomas Publishers: SynchroSystems and the Riverside Garage & Brewery Anti-Prohibitionists may also be interested in LiBeerty: The Libertarian Beer Digest Subscription info: libeerty-request at synchro.com For BJCP General Information contact: geninfo at bjcp.synchro.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Contents: restatement & apologies re: new point system (Mike Lelivelt) I'm Back in the E-Mail Loop -- and SUDS for Mac Redux! (TAyres) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 10:07:15 -0500 From: lelivelt at med.unc.edu (Mike Lelivelt) Subject: restatement & apologies re: new point system Martin said in JND 1226: >It's ONE point per beer, no decimals, only integers. I really don't think >it's more complex, what with all the conditions that are imposed on point >awards now. Martin, I want to honestly apologize for not taking the time to review your proposal. Any critic should have a working knowledge of the proposal (or beer style!) before rendering judgment. Again, my apologies. Regardless of my ignorance, put me down as one who thinks that the effort required to change the system would not be worth the return. I agree with Martin that his system is a fairer (more fair?) approach to awarding experience points. If the BJCP was in its initial development stages, then I would lobby hard for Martin's proposal. However, the current system is in place and working adequately. I don't think the system is malfunctioning enough to warrant overhaul. Just my opinion, Mike ===================================================================== Mike Lelivelt lelivelt at med.unc.edu Univ of North Carolina at Chapel Hill 919-408-0451 home Dept of Microbiology & Immunology BJCP National Judge ===================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 02:06:50 -0500 From: TAyres at aol.com Subject: I'm Back in the E-Mail Loop -- and SUDS for Mac Redux! Hello, All! The bad news is that anyone who has tried to reach me by E-Mail since February 24 has gotten mail kicked back to them because of, shall we say, a "dispute" over billing with America On Line. The good news is that I'm now back "in the loop" at TAyres at aol.com. So fear not, you have not lost contact with me!!! I'm now back on line. Please resend anything you may have tried to send me since 2/24. The second bad news is that this loss of AOL for more than a week posed a particular problem with regard to two questions I had raised on homebrew group mail and newsgroup lists such as WortNet, Homebrew Digest, and Lambic Digest. Pardon my resubmitting these queries, but I never got answers the first time because of the AOL snafu, so I'd like to try again. Here are the two queries, one to all parties with knowledge and the second to "lambic geeks" like me: 1) Does anyone know of any SUDS 4.0-like shareware for the MAC platform? If so, what is it like and where can I find it. I'm very intrigued by SUDS, which I can use on a 486 at work, but I run MAC most of the time at the homebrew shop I coown and at home -- would love to find something as good as SUDS for Mac. Suggestions? And where do I find it? 2) Second questions is regarding my a framboise lambic I currently have in production. Sour-mashed, pitched Wyeast (pseudo) Brett and Boon/Cantillon slurries, plus Wyeast 1056. Lacks pedio character. What is the feasibility of pitching pedio at BOTTLING time. I'm considering doing this with pedio from GW Kent. Any thought, lambic freaks? Please post to Lambic Digest or respond via private E-Mail -- now working again!!! -- at TAyres at aol.com Sorry for all the waste bandwith repeating this silliness -- AOL f**cked me over, what can I say? 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