Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 21:49:35 -0500
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Subject: JudgeNet Digest #1211 (Feb 12, 1996)

JudgeNet Digest #1211                          Mon 12 Feb 1996

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Contents:

  10th Annual Bidal Competition in Kenosha, WI (OBCTS)
  Re: Meat Free Chow                       (Robert Bush)
  BJCP Board                               (WILLIAM GIFFIN)
  Most Difficult to Brew                   (Fred Hardy)
  Gemstate Homebrew Contest                ("Loren Carter" )

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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 96 08:03:11 CST
From: OBCTS at ccmail.ceco.com
Subject: 10th Annual Bidal Competition in Kenosha, WI

     
     The 10th Annual Bidal Society of Kenosha Homebrew competition will be 
     held on March 9  at  Brewmasters Pub in Kenosha.  Ribbons and prizes will 
     be awarded for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in each category and for BOS and 2nd 
     BOS.  Some categories may be combined.  This competition is AHA 
     Sanctioned.  
     
     For more information or if you are interested in Judging please 
     contact Carol DeBell at 414-654-2211 or email 
     Tom(obcts at ccmail.ceco.com) or Jeff(jsparrow at follett.com).  Judging 
     will begin on Friday evening and end Saturday afternoon.  If you 
     would like to  judge on either day please let us know.  TIA.
     
     Tom
     
     
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 18:05:45 +0100
From: bush at shbf.se (Robert Bush)
Subject: Re: Meat Free Chow


I've never seen a more immature posting in a serious forum like this!
Slagging vegetarians like the *signature* BrewsMead at eworld.com did in #1210
can't be the purpose with this digest. I suggest setting a minimum age that
you must reach before you can post to JudgeNet!

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=                        WASSAIL!                             =
=    Robert Bush                   E-mail:  bush at shbf.se      =
=    Eskilstuna,SWEDEN (never used a trumpet brush in my life)=
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 14:07:53 -0600
From: WILLIAM GIFFIN <billgiffin at mci.newscorp.com>
Subject: BJCP Board

Top of the morning to ye all,

If you would please take the time to look up the word diatribe.  I think you
will find that  my post of the other day as described by Greg Walz does not
quite make the definititoin.

 I'm pleased that you are offended by my remarks abet they were not offhand
and I meant every bit of them.

>Normally still another diatribe from Mr. Giffen would
>give me little more than amusement.  But speaking as one
>of the seven Board members of the BJCP

My name is Mr. Giffin, please be kind enough to spell it correctly.  Paddy
may take offence to you use of his name.

> If we rush into incorporation we could wind up with a non-workable
>organization with all the flaws of the previous BJCP.

It appears to me that you have meet the above.  Our BOD hasn't avoided the
problem of the old BJCP, but have continued them.  Greg you have avoided the
problem of the bank account.  Do we or do we not have a legal and valid bank
account in the name of the BJCP?  

>Mr. Giffin does not appear to have had much experience with
>non-profits or he'd understand the work that's involved
>to do this, and, more importantly, do it RIGHT. 

My, my it is amazing how much you know about Mr. Giffin, Greg.  Did you know
that Mr. Giffin practiced as a C.P.A.  for over twenty year?  Did you know
that as part of that practice Mr. Giffin had a number of not for profit
clients for whom he prepared financial statements and tax returns  Did you
know that Mr. Giffin helped a number of clients to apply for and receive tax
exempt status?  Maybe Gregg that I, Mr. Giffin,  know a bit more about not
for profit then you do.  And if I don't at least I know where to find the
information.

At the rate that the BJCP is moving it will be at least another year before
the BJCP receives tax exempt status.  

Perhaps  with your lack of understanding, Gregg, you should be offended; not
by what I have said, but in the inability of the BOD  to accomplish the
mandate set forth by the interim Board.  I hope that you and the rest of the
BOD would feel insulted enough to get on with what you are supposed to be
doing and not complain about how hard you have been working.  WORKING HARD
IS NOT THE SAME AS WORKING SMART.  Right now I don't see anyone accusing you
of working smart.


May the road rise to meet you.
		Bill  Giffin
Bill		61 Pleasant St. 
		Richmond, ME  04357
		(207)-737-2015
		billg at giffin.iii.net

All you need is a few good friends and plenty to drink because thirst is a
terrible thing!


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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 14:44:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Fred Hardy <fcmbh at access.digex.net>
Subject: Most Difficult to Brew


John Calen was spot on when he said that degree of difficulty is
not an issue in deciding BoS. A beer is flawed or it is not. A
dry hopped Bohemian Pilsner made with a little sour mash and
decocted is not more difficult to brew than any other beer if you
know how, have the equipment and are willing to take the time.

The original post made reference to a rational that a dark beer
covers many sins, and a pale brew can not. If judges adopt this
concept, whenever there is any problem deciding BoS, just order
them by color and pick the lightest. Bud beats Guiness every
time, even though they are probably equally good examples of
their particular style. Zima can not be beaten.

If you are down to 2 possibilities for BoS, and judges can not
decide, the organizer should a) award 2 BoS, or b) flip a coin.
IMO, a coin toss makes as much sense as a penalty shot resolution
to a tie soccer game. The beers were proven equal, but one lost
the toss and became less equal.

If there are more than 2 which can not be resolved, try the most
favored technique. Each judge ranks the beers from 1 to N, where
N is the number of contenders. Each judge gives his top choice N,
his second choice N-1, and so on. After all the judges vote, add
the scores for each entry. The one with the most points wins. It
should, since it is the one most acceptable to the most judges.

If all else fails, number the beers from 1 to N, make out N slips
of paper, mix in a hat and draw the winner.

Given that all the finalists are judged to be equal, and if only
1 BoS can be awarded, IMO any of these methods of selection are
valid. Most difficult to make is never a valid criterion.

Cheers, Fred

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We must invent the future, else it will  |          <Fred Hardy>
happen to us and we will not like it.    |
[Stafford Beer, "Platform for Change"]   |    email: fcmbh at access.digex.net


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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:54:09 +0000
From: "Loren Carter"  <lcarter at claven.idbsu.edu>
Subject: Gemstate Homebrew Contest

Announcing the Tenth Annual Gemstate Homebrew Contest in Boise,Idaho.

Entry deadline is April 26, 1996

For more information contact my web page at www.idbsu.edu/chem/lcarter.html
or email your snail mail address to lcarter at claven.idbsu.edu

Loren Carter
Chemistry Department
Boise State University
Boise, Idaho
lcarter at claven.idbsu.edu


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