Return-Path: synchro!judge-owner at uu6.psi.com Received: from srvr8.engin.umich.edu (root at srvr8.engin.umich.edu [141.212.2.81]) by srvr5.engin.umich.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA16137 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 02:53:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from twins.rs.itd.umich.edu (twins.rs.itd.umich.edu [141.211.83.39]) by srvr8.engin.umich.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id CAA03064 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 02:51:10 -0500 Received: by twins.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.6.12/2.2) with X.500 id CAA07603; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 02:51:08 -0500 Received: from uu6.psi.com by twins.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.6.12/2.2) with SMTP id CAA07598; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 02:51:04 -0500 Received: from synchro.UUCP by uu6.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA00705 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 96 02:37:59 -0500 Received: by synchro.com (smail2.5) id AA28297; 1 Feb 96 01:20:12 EST (Thu) To: judge-recipients at synchro.com (JudgeNet Recipients) From: judge-owner at synchro.com (JudgeNet Administrator) Reply-To: judge at synchro.com (JudgeNet) Errors-To: judge-error at synchro.com Precedence: bulk Subject: JudgeNet Digest #1209 (Feb 01, 1996) Date: 1 Feb 96 01:20:12 EST (Thu) Message-Id: <9602010120.AA28297 at synchro.com> JudgeNet Digest #1209 Thu 01 Feb 1996 JudgeNet The Beer Judge Digest digest submissions: judge at synchro.com administrative requests: judge-request at synchro.com send cancellations & rank updates to the administrative address messages sent to the wrong address will be ignored WWW Archives: http://www.umich.edu/~spencer/beer/judge Editor: Chuck Cox Archivist: Spencer Thomas Publishers: SynchroSystems and the Riverside Garage & Brewery Anti-Prohibitionists may also be interested in LiBeerty: The Libertarian Beer Digest Subscription info: libeerty-request at synchro.com For BJCP General Information contact: geninfo at bjcp.synchro.com Contents: Re: Degree of Difficulty (Dennis Davison) Re: JudgeNet Digest #1208 (Jan 31, 1996) (Jeff Renner) Big Beer Thoughts (Ed Hitchcock) Difficult to Brew (Fred Hardy) Re: BJCP Question (Scott Bickham) RE: Historical styles (Mark Taratoot) Degree of Difficulty (Algis R Korzonas) fw:Beer poem (919) 405-3632" Re: Degree of Difficulty ("Jim Ellingson") Re: Program Question (JCalen) Who's Who (Mailing list Admin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 06:06:50 -0600 From: ddavison at earth.execpc.com (Dennis Davison) Subject: Re: Degree of Difficulty >In many competitions I've seen judges justify their defense of a beer because >it's "harder to make" than other styles. I'm not flaming Denis Davison, who >wrote in JudgeNet #1207... > >Discussing the BoS: >>"But when you get down to the last 5-10 beers your looking at difficulty of >brewing," (etc.) > >Is this documented somewhere? If you come up with the last five beers and they are all to style and still have to choose one beer, what other criteria can you go by? Say ones an Imperial Stout and another is a Kolsch? The Imperial Stout can hide a few flaws where the Kolsch can't. That's what I mean by degree of difficulty more than anything else. What style is it and can it hide a multitude of sins but still taste good? Dennis Davison ddavison at earth.execpc.com BJCC Midwest Region Chairperson of the BJCP ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 96 08:33:31 -0500 From: Jeff Renner Subject: Re: JudgeNet Digest #1208 (Jan 31, 1996) Al said > Scott writes: > > >1. Describe the purpose of the Beer Judge > Certification Program, how the > >judging levels are organized and how a judge progresses > within the program. > > I fail to see how this measures the quality of a judge. > I, personally, would rather ask another question about > styles, process or ingredients. Could someone give me a > reason for including this question? As an entrant, I > would feel much better knowing that the judge knew more > about brewing and styles than about the program he/she > is in. I agree. I took the test in 1990 completely cold - I don't think I even preregistered. The Ann Arbor Brewers' Guild needed judges, and I let my arm be twisted. I knew nothing about the BJCP, and assume I got a zero on that question. In spite of that, I got an overall 80, so it really didn't matter, but I don't think that doing well on that question demonstrates that anyone is a better judge of beer. This leads me to another point that I didn't contribute back during the "why do you judge" thread. I'm not sure that anyone else offered this perspective. I judge because someone has to do it for competitions to work. Our club is involved with several per year (Mazer Cup, Michigan State Fair, Taste of the Great Lakes), has done a club only AHA competition or two, and has supplied judges for several other regional competitions organized by other groups. I find judging to be hard work, and there is usually something else I'd really rather be doing - I've got a busy life beyond beer. But I love homebrewing and once I get into the judging, I manage to enjoy it, although I take it so seriously that I seem to be pretty slow. So, I can say "It's a tough job but someone's got to do it" without being ironic. I'm glad there are people who like to do it so much that they travel 300 miles to judge, sleep on lumpy sofa beds in somebody's den, eat meat when they'd rather not ;-) and spend hundreds of dollars and many weekends a year judging. It just isn't for me. Jeff Renner in Ann Arbor, Michigan c/o nerenner at umich.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:31:13 -0400 (AST) From: Ed Hitchcock Subject: Big Beer Thoughts I've been following the big beer thread and giving it some thought. At some points I thought it might make sense to flag beers whose recipes make them obviously way out of style. "Flagging" would involve a note by the coordinators that the judges would not see, which could be brough to the attention of the judges should one of these flagged beers win. The judges would not see the flags and would not therefore hold prejudice. Then I reconsidered. I remember judging (for demonstration, a "taste along with the judges") at the CABA conference last year. One of the samples was a delightful, clean, refreshing beer listed as "Belgian Wit". Despite it's tremendous quality and drinkability, it had WAY too much orange, and sweet orange at that. I felt like I had to appologize for scoring it 29, but it was way out of style. As a specialty I probably would have given it a 41. Moral of the story: a judge must judge to style. If we start flagging beers for guideline violations we'd open a whole new can of annelids. Flag this wit, too much orange. Flag that bock, too much hops. Remember, it's not the organizer's job to categorize the beer, it's the entrant's, and it's the judge's duty to judge the beer to that category. It can be a tough call for the judges if there is some question of a recipe's suitability. Most judges, I think, are reluctant to make unfounded assumptions about production techniques, including guessing at the recipe. There are many things a judge can guess at -use of dry yeast, use of extract, late addition hops etc- but these are only guesses and are often wrong (who commented recently about being slammed for using aroma hops when in fact they had only one large addition of noble hops at 60 minutes?). How would you feel if your 1044 bitter was rejected for "too much body"? Laying blame at the feet of the judges is unfair. Giving the responsibility to the organizer is excessive work. Simply trusting the entrants obviously hasn't worked entirely. So let's just cooperate a little. First, a strong reminder to the entrants to brew within the style guidelines, since those guidelines are the judging criteria, and grossly exceeding these criteria is dishonest. Second, give the judges the ability to question a beer's suitability. If the judges suspect a beer is grossly out of style (principally in gravity, most ingredient deviations should be detectable) they should be able to question the organizers as to the OG and FG stated on the entry form (or simply whether these are within style guidelines). If there is still some doubt on the part of the judges (it has been mentioned that a large proportion of recipes are fudged), allow them to use a hydrometer to test the gravity. This would not necessarily be conclusive, but if a recipe states OG 1.047, FG 1.009 and the hydrometer reading is 1.020, you know there is a problem. Once the gravity is determined it is then the judge's responsibility to determine suitability to style. In sum, educate the entrants, and give the judges the right, in special cases (Of course one would have to watch out for abuse!) to question a beer's suitability based on gravity. ed ---------------- ehitchcock at sparc.uccb.ns.ca the Pick & Fossil Picobrewery Because there's more to life than just coffee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:42:56 -0500 (EST) From: Fred Hardy Subject: Difficult to Brew I just want to compliment John Calen for pointing out what nonsense the pseudo criterion "difficult to brew" is. I too have heard that comment by judges trying to choose between two entries. In fact, everything is difficult until you know how, then it begins to approach routine. Simply because a judge may not be comfortable with decoction mashing or dry hopping does not mean that either is very difficult. Let's recognize that the only thing that is difficult is brewing a beer that can qualify to be a contender in BoS. Once there it should be judged on its merits as an outstanding example of whatever it was intended to be. A judge's perception of brewing difficulty should not be a consideration. Cheers, Fred ============================================================================== We must invent the future, else it will | happen to us and we will not like it. | [Stafford Beer, "Platform for Change"] | email: fcmbh at access.digex.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:36:02 -0500 (EST) From: Scott Bickham Subject: Re: BJCP Question Al wrote: > I'll make this short and sweet (rare for me). Scott writes: > > >1. Describe the purpose of the Beer Judge Certification Program, how the > >judging levels are organized and how a judge progresses within the program. > > I fail to see how this measures the quality of a judge. I, personally, would > rather ask another question about styles, process or ingredients. Could > someone give me a reason for including this question? As an entrant, I would > feel much better knowing that the judge knew more about brewing and styles > than about the program he/she is in. If I had a dollar for every time I've been asked to explain the judging program, I wouldn't be rich, but I would sure have more beers in my fridge. With the support of the BJCC, I have retained that question because judges represent the program and should be able to explain it to potential judges. Without new judges entering the program, there would be no exams, no newsletters, no money for point updates - you get the idea. To put it another way, judges are ambassadors of the program. The BJCP question is graded pretty leniently and should be a "gimme", and I feel that the other nine questions and the tasting part make it a pretty well-rounded exam. By the way, those who have read the program guide and can answer the program question should know that the purpose of the BJCP is not to train judges, but to recognize them for their knowledge about beer styles, beer history, basic brewing and sensory evaluation of beer. This has been in the program guide for at least five years, which is why many of us feel that that judge education should be a separate issue. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:54:15 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Taratoot Subject: RE: Historical styles In JudgeNet Digest #1208 (Jan 31, 1996), Fred Hardy discusses historical styles. He describes why cyser is not a mead, since it was made "for centuries" as a type of cider. Likewise, that pyment is not a mead, that it was originally a "...dry wine with honey added when it was served. Other spices might also have been added to suit the tastes of the Middle Ages." I wonder how far back we are willing to go to define a true "style." Do we go back thousands of years to ancient babalon? Should we just have one catagory of "beer" made with "bapir?" Or should all our beers simply be a bowl of porrige we let sit out too long? Should we exclude beer made with pure yeast strains because, historically, brewers did not know what yeast was? Should we only allow beers that fermented spontaneously after stirring with a "magic stick" into our contests? And who has personally TASTED a 15th (or even a 17th) century mead? At some point we do have to look at historical "styles" with a modern point of view. Beyond the fact that history (even more recent history) can be sketchy depending who you ask, we must allow for the evolution of old styles and the creation of new styles. This does make judging more challanging. Oh, well. -m taratoot ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 96 14:05:59 CST From: korz at pubs.ih.att.com (Algis R Korzonas) Subject: Degree of Difficulty John writes: >In many competitions I've seen judges justify their defense of a beer because >it's "harder to make" than other styles. I'm not flaming Denis Davison, who >wrote in JudgeNet #1207... > >Discussing the BoS: >>"But when you get down to the last 5-10 beers your looking at difficulty of >brewing," (etc.) > >Is this documented somewhere? No. >How did this start? What justifies it's continued practice? Define "Harder". >Is a lager "Harder" to make than an ale? Is it "Harder" to dry hop? If I have >a strong beer that's palatable in a month, is that "Harder" than aging it for >a year? Is it "Harder" to blend a beer or brew it the way you want it in the >first place? Is it "Harder" to use extract or all-grain? You are sitting at a Best of Show table and you have in front of you a nearly perfect Special Bitter, a nearly perfect Imperial Stout, a nearly perfect Eisbock and a nearly perfect Berliner Weiss. You've already tossed out a 40-point Barleywine and a 40-point Munich Helles because they were merely excellent and many very good other beers. You need some kind of criteria to pick and rank those top three beers. When all the beers in the top four are equally good in their respective categories, you need to somehow choose the best of the best. Surely you will agree that it is more difficult to make an outstanding Eisbock than an outstanding Special Bitter? I personally feel that a perfectly-balanced Berliner Weiss (malt/hops/acid) is more difficult to craft than a perfectly-balanced Imperial Stout (malt/hops/alcohol). When you need to make a difficult choice, you sometimes have to reach for odd criteria. As long as you are well-meaning and fair to the entrants, I feel that degree of difficulty is a valid factor in making that difficult ranking of 1st, 2nd and 3rd BoS. Despite what some... may think, the only time when it's easy to do Best of Show is when the competition has a lot of dogs for winners. When it's difficult to discard the 26th beer and pare the field down to only the 25 best, then you obviously have some very good 1st place beers. Luckily for me, every BoS I've judged has been difficult. Al. Al Korzonas, Palos Hills, IL korz at pubs.att.com Copyright 1996 Al Korzonas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 96 18:11:28 EST From: "George Danz (919) 405-3632" Subject: fw:Beer poem >For your enjoyment ... > >---forwarded message----> > > > > The Old Rose and Crown > >Good friends, gather 'round and I'll tell you a tale; >It's a story well-known to all lovers of ale; >For the old English pub, once a man's second home, >Has been decked out, by brewers, in plastic and chrome. > >Oh, what has become of the old Rose and Crown, >The Ship, the King's Arms, and the World Upside-Down? >For oak, brass and leather and a pint of the best >Fade away like the sun as it sinks in the west. > >The old oaken bar where the pumps filled your glass >Gives way to formica and tanks full of gas; >And the landlord behind, once a man of good cheer, >Will just mumble the price as he hands you your beer. > >And where are the friends who would meet for a jar >And a good game of darts in the old public bar? >For the dartboard is gone; in its place is a thing >Where you pull on a handle and lose all your tin. > >But the worst of it all's what they've done to the beer, >For their shandies and lager will make you feel queer. >For an arm and a leg they will fill up your glass >With a half-and-half mixture of ullage and gas. > >So, come all you good fellows that likes to sup ale; >Let's hope for a happier end to my tale, >For there's nothing can fill a man's heart with more cheer >Than to sit in a pub with a pint of good beer. > > >Written and performed by Canadian artist Ian Robb. >Taken from the _Secret Life of Beer_. > > > > >Best Regards, George E. Danz Snail Mail Address: gdanz at harris.com PO Box 13996 (919)405-3632 Work Research Triangle Park, NC 27709 (919)405-3651 FAX ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 23:39:49 GMT From: "Jim Ellingson" Subject: Re: Degree of Difficulty Greetings, John Calen and Dennis have raised the issue of degree of difficulty as a judging criterion. I'll offer a data point and MY read on it. I had the honor of judging the Best of Show at the '95 MN Brewfest. Micheal Jackson, Ginger Wotring and I sampled the 14 category winners from over 300 entries. Our short lists had 2 beers in common. The Boho Pils and the IPA were equally "perfect". Any of us would be happy with either as the BOS, but we had to pick one! Ginger, the hop-head, was pulling for the "Cascade Wonder" IPA, while I, the malt-guy, prefered the Pils. One of the things Micheal said, in breaking the tie, was that the pils is harder to brew, and so, all other things being equal, it deserved the prize. BTW, both of these beers have placed at the NHC and both were to style. IMNSHO, difficulty is a valid criteria. Lighter styles are more difficult, because there are fewer places to "hide" in their color and flavour. Flaws are much easier to detect in a kolsh than they are in a big, bold Russian Imperial Stout. Consequently, a good kolsh is more impressive. I'll be interested in reading the BJCP's official stance on this issue. Comments and discussion to me or the digest. Flames to /dev/nul. Cheers, Jim - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * James Lee (Jim) Ellingson jellings at me.umn.edu * * University of Minnesota, 125 Mech. Engr. tel 612/696-0260 * * 111 Church St.SE, Minneapolis, MN 55455 fax 612/625-8884 * ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:29:48 -0500 From: JCalen at aol.com Subject: Re: Program Question Al Korzonas makes an excellent point in JudgeNet #1208 about the question in the BJCP essay exam regarding the BJCP. >I fail to see how this measures the quality of a judge. I don't see it either. Al continues: >I, personally, would rather ask another question about styles, process or >ingredients. I would *NOT* want to see another question on styles, process or ingredients. That is already covered with redundancy in the other nine questions and taste exam. I *WOULD* like to see a question regarding judges conduct, purpose, their knowledge of what competition organizers need, and so on. I know that in the past the BJCP question was regarded as 7 "free" points, but why make the examinees spin their wheels? Let the examinees make it clear that they understand what a judge is, what can prevent a judge from doing their job well, and how they can become a better judge, not merely advance their judging rank. Regards, John Calen P.S. A *brilliant* feature of the essay exam format is that the exam proctor could "fill in the blanks" at the exam to cover the styles not represented by the beers being judged, though this could potentially be abused to exploit known weaknesses (or strengths) in the pool of examinees. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 96 0:05:07 EST From: listadm at synchro.com (Mailing list Admin) Subject: Who's Who ###################################################################### ## ## ## JudgeNet - the beer judge digest ## ## ## ## subscriber list ## ## ## ## (addresses prefaced with '#' are relayed) ## ## ## ## copyright (c) 1995 C.C.Cox ## ## ## ## this information may not be redistributed or ## ## used for commercial purposes ## ## ## ###################################################################### # ### Relay Sites # beer.judge at f615.n109.z1.fidonet.org (The Enlightened Board) # ### Federation of Amateur Wine and Beer Guilds (FAWBG) - NL # # Master Wine Judge # victor.reijs at surfnet.nl (Victor Reijs) # 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# Recognized Judges # 74444.1666 at compuserve.com (Jon Allen) andy at fpusa.demon.co.uk (Andy Anderson) baier_t at salt.plu.edu (Tom Baier) chrisb3 at ix.netcom.com (Chris Balboni) ballhorn at optimage.com (Bill Ballhorn) scott at partech.com (Scott Barrett) jeremybb at leland.stanford.edu (Jeremy Bergsman) jeffb at shore.net (Jeff Biegert) brudr at aol.com (Jeff Boggess) kbooth at ingham.k12.mi.us (Jim Booth) kbooth at isd.ingham.k12.mi.us (Jim Booth) bradley at adx.adelphi.edu (Rob Bradley) jbrown at earth.execpc.com (Jeffrey Brown) bbrowne at golder.com (Barry Browne) stephen_buonocore at nyccip01.lehman.com (Stephen Buonocore) jimcald at ix.netcom.com (jim caldwell) bobsbrew at aol.com (Bob Calhoun) 0002039152 at mcimail.com (Tom Clifton) gcb at fc.hp.com (Glenn Colon-Bonet) james at krl.com (James Cox) dalton at subpac.enet.dec.com (Tim Dalton) rmdavis at cal.mobil.com (Randy Davis) jdelapp at halcyon.com (John DeLapp) pauld at aristotle.saic.com (Paul Demmert) u52983 at uicvm.uic.edu (Roger Deschner) docherty at arco.com (Shane Docherty) drin0004 at tc.umn.edu (David Drinkwater) erickson_rb at atc.alcoa.com (Rolf Erickson) tee at cray.com (Tony Ernst) espouf at rpi.edu (Francois Espourteille) #bruce.feist at f615.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Bruce Feist) folsom at ix.netcom.com (Alan Folsom) forbes at primenet.com (John Forbes) froeh at jpats.ecc.naa.rockwell.com (Michael Froehlich) mgaspard at mailer.scri.fsu.edu (Marc Gaspard) #polly.goldman at f615.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Polly Goldman) graff008 at maroon.tc.umn.edu (Kurt Graffunder) brew at devine.columbiasc.ncr.com (Jim Griggers) hadleyse at pweh.com (Scott Hadley) hagger at aol.com (Roger Haggett) joseph at joebloe.maple-shade.nj.us (Joseph_N Hall) hamlec1 at medtronic.com (Cushing Hamlen) harwigp at clic.langley.af.mil (Paul Harwig) jhinken at accessone.com (Jim Hinken) ehitchcock at sparc.uccb.ns.ca (Ed Hitchcock) holton at donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Greg Holton) marhug at telecom.usu.edu (Marc Hugentobler) yeastme at aol.com (Keith Huizinga) jones_sa at atc.alcoa.com (Steven Jones) ao915 at detroit.freenet.org (Stephen Klump) kolodzie at casper.med.uth.tmc.edu (Steve Kolodziej) pkrebs at cris.com (Paul Krebs) pkrebs at cris.com (Paul Krebs) gwk at world.std.com (Greg Kushmerek) plfrog at aol.com (Peter LaFrance) rll at cptech.com (Robert Lamothe) delbrew at pgh.nauticom.net (Nathaniel Lansing) jleak at vnet.ibm.com (John Leak) fjl at dpci.sannet.gov (Frank Leers) trl at wuerl.wustl.edu (Tom Leith) rich at lenihan.iii.net (Rich Lenihan) richard-lloyd at uokhsc.edu (Rick Lloyd) rnjloud at aol.com (Richard Loud) macala at pop.com (Jerry Macala) dedpetvet at aol.com (Bill MacKenzie) lakcobru at wwa.com (Rich Madole) manning_martin_mp at mcst.ae.ge.com (Martin Manning) mare at vetsci.agpharm.arizona.edu (John Mare) tmartyn at aol.com (Tom Martyn) starplex at magnum.wpe.com (John Mason) r.mcglew3 at genie.geis.com (Ray McGlew) asm at med.unc.edu (Andrew McKenzie) mumbly at netcom.com (Tim McNerney) michalski_jm at castor.wustl.edu (Jeff Michalski) scott at gordian.com (Scott Murphy) dann at sr.hp.com (Dan Needham) todd_nelson at gtech.com (Todd Nelson) gneuman at ppg.com (George Neuman) brwtopia at atlanta.com (Owen Ogletree) tolsen1 at aol.com (Tim Olsen) uswlsrap at ibmmail.com (Robert Paolino) rpmattie at omni.voicenet.com (Renee Peloquin_Mattie) krisperez at aol.com (Kristine Perez) wayne_l_pier at nslc.fmso.navy.mil (Wayne Pier) reegleyj at aol.com (Bradley Reeg) kjbrew at aol.com (Ken Rich) ja_rosen at qmail4.nba.TRW.com (Joel Rosen) richroso at msn.com (Rich Rosowski) drudolph at ix.netcom.com (Don Rudolph) rsantore at mailbox.syr.edu (Robert Santore) 102160.1456 at compuserve.com (Mark Schmitt) shoej at aol.com (David Schoemaker) kschutz at atmel.com (Kevin Schutz) psedgwick at aol.com (Paul Sedgwick) skeel at fcrfv2.ncifcrf.gov (Alison Skeel) mcksmith at iadfw.net (McKee Smith) sterner at cv.hp.com (John Sterner) stevens at stsci.edu (Mark Stevens) sullivan51 at aol.com (John Sullivan) kurt.swanson at dna.lth.se (Kurt Swanson) btalk at aol.com (Bob Talkiewicz) terfintt at apci.com (Terry Terfinko) trubracker at aol.com (Andrew Udalovas) 73113.1574 at compuserve.com (Steve Van_Noppen) mvick at i2020.net (Mark Vick) twaldon at fcc.gov (Tracy Waldon) beerwriter at aol.com (Alan Wax) jweerts at olympia.com (John Weerts) swh at ll.mit.edu (Sarah White) 73524.2447 at compuserve.com (Jim Wise) lowguy at aol.com (Gilbert_Scott Wolfe) bmw at teleport.com (Brad Woods) # # Apprentice Judges # anderegg at divnc.com (Murray Anderegg) paul at grammatech.com (Paul Anderson) thomas.w.ausfeld at dartmouth.edu (Tom Ausfeld) ckxb66b at prodigy.com (Bettina Barbier) dbeedle at rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Dave Beedle) cdb1 at axe.humboldt.edu (Cary Bellak) gunnarb at stavanger.sgp.slb.com (Gunnar Berge) michael at wupsych.wustl.edu (Mike Biondo) mole at netcom.com (Aaron Birenboim) bliss at convex.com (Brian Bliss) blue at cam.nist.gov (Jim Blue) anders.bostrom at mollehem.se (Anders Bostrom) embreed at sfovmic1.vnet.ibm.com (Emily Breed) bli at psuvm.psu.edu (Jeff Brendle) munches at aol.com (Jim Brennan) eddie-brian at uiowa.edu (Eddie Brian) ray at hwr.arizona.edu (Ray Brice) jbbs at aol.com (Joe_Bob Briggs-Stratton) bronyaur at u.washington.edu (David Brockington) muh84 at aol.com (Kevin Brooks) brosnihan at aol.com (Frank Brosnihan) jpbrewing at aol.com (Jeffrey Brown) bbumbarg at acc.haverford.edu (Bruce Bumbarger) bush at shbf.se (Robert Bush) charlie at halcyon.com (Charles Castellow) fchambers at aol.com (Frederick_M Chambers) coddfish at aol.com (Chris Coddington) coffel at crl.com (Karen Coffel) karen.coffel at ncal.kaiperm.org (Karen Coffel) zz11p9c at pentagon-emh6.army.mil (Peter Cooke) edcuz at aol.com (Ed Cousineau) 7059940 at mcimail.com (Harry Covert) kcreswick at aol.com (Kirk Creswick) gdanz at harris.com (George Danz) darling_ge at brutus.vought.com (Jerry Darling) psd1 at midway.uchicago.edu (Pratik Dave) briand at vt.edu (Brian Davidson) davidson at emba.uvm.edu (Darryl Davidson) palmer at ansoft.com (Palmer Davis) tdenny at rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Tom Denny) aderr at bbn.com (Alan Derr) tdoak at genetics.utah.edu (Tom Doak) jgdoyle at uci.edu (Jim Doyle) akcs.jebel at vpnet.chi.il.us (Jason Ebel) kilers at aol.com. (Kevin Eilers) chrisbac at rice.edu (Chris Eisbach) sescorza at sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Sergio Escorza) darren at ua1vm.ua.edu (Darren Evans-Young) ron.ezetta at tek.com (Ron Ezetta) bjfabb at ccmail.monsanto.com (Brad Fabbri) 74650.1072 at compuserve.com (John Faulks) pblshr at aol.com (Tom Finan) jimfitz at netcom.com (Jim Fitzgerald) gjfix at utamat.uta.edu (George Fix) francisco at lan.ccit.arizona.edu (John Francisco) rfugitt at ix-netcom.com (Ray Fugitt) sgarling at aol.com (Steve Garling) rgarr at cis.compuserve.com (Robin Garr) rgarvin at access.digex.net (Rick Garvin) tgaskell at e3sa.elab.syr.ge.com (Tom Gaskell) jason at gibson.sde.hp.com (Jason Goldman) sargee at aol.com (Chris Gordon) clgow at crl.com (Charlie Gow) green at hpmtaa.lvld.hp.com (Bob Green) greengj0 at seraph1.sewanee.edu (Greg Greene) egross at unix.cc.emory.edu (Lee Gross) juglr at intgp1.att.com (John Gunser) joseph-judge at joebloe.maple-shade.nj.us (Joseph Hall) psvenh at aol.com (Peter Hanson) herreras at bcvms.bc.edu (Stephen Herrera) rev_j at msn.com (Barry Hibbing) drzach at aol.com (Zach Hilgers) khinsman at aol.com (Kathy Hinsman) hirahara at pfizer.co.jp (Kazuhira Hirahara) hollen at vigra.com (Dion Hollenbeck) imakebeer at aol.com (Robert Hops) troy at oculus.jsei.ucla.edu (Troy Howard) jhump at aol.com (Jeff Humphreys) jhurley at netcore.ca (Thomas Hurley) hyre1 at muvms6.mu.wvnet.edu (Mark Hyre) minglis at ix.netcom.com (Mike Inglis) brewercam at aol.com (Cam Ireland) bmjermyn at aol.com. (Brian Jermyn) kejones at ptdcs2.intel.com (Kelly Jones) deronk at slpc.com (Deron Kazmaier) keane at cs.rutgers.edu (John Keane) keinert at iastate.edu (Fritz Keinert) mike.keller at genie.geis.com (Mike Keller) lfk at veritas.com (Lynn Kerby) dkerfoot at freenet.macatawa.org (Douglas Kerfoot) jason at mathworks.com (Jason Kinchen) kindel at aster.colorado (Bruce Kindel) jkinder at seraph1.sewanee.edu (Jackie Kinder) ekleber at qualcomm.com (Evan Kleber) bakremse at cmonster.county.anoka.mn.us (Betsy Kremser) dkryzan at aol.com (Doug Kryzan) jal at gonix.com (Jim Larsen) jal at techbook.com (Jim Larsen) mol at jyu.fi (Mika Latokartano) mlentz at bioch.tamu.edu (Mike Lentz) steve at inet.ttgva.con (Steven Lichtenberg) steve at pentagon-emh6.army.mil (Steve Lichtenberg) kari.likovuori at mol.fi (Kari Likovuori) lollr at hq36abw.andersen.af.mil (Ric Loll) ktl at kittyhawk.aero.rmit.oz.au (Katie Lord) macdonak at meena.cc.uregina.ca (Kerry Macdonald) magdek at lonexa.admin.rl.af.mil (Kevin Madge) johnmaj at aol.com (John Majetic) bteditor at aol.com (Stephen Mallery) mark.manteufel at toro.com (Mark Manteufel) lmatt at nando.net (Larry Matthews) mccauley_je at lfs.loral.com (Joe McCauley) mchenry at syrres.com (Patrick Mchenry) sturdy at itsa.ucsf.edu (Sturdivant McKee) smessin100 at aol.com (Steve Messinger) ac051 at osfn.rhilinet.gov (Eric Miller) p26948 at email.mot.com (Michael Millstone) dminbreb at Brazosport.cc.tx.us (Scott Mindrebo) dmindreb at gator1.brazosport.cc.tx.us (Scott Mindrebo) rmoore9011 at aol.com (Bob Moore) rmoucka at omn.com (Ron Moucka) damroc at aol.com (David Mroczkowski) tarfunk at aol.com (Mort O'Sullivan) gabriellepalmer at e-mail.com (Gabrielle Palmer) timp770515 at aol.com (Tim Papich) epearson at nr.infi.net (Ed Pearson) perkins at zippy.ho.att.com (Mark Perkins) epeters at rtp.semi.harris.com (Eric Peters) pflanzer at gate.net (David Pflanzer) philbric at bose.com (Drew Philbrick) jpilhoefer at aol.com (John Pilhoefer) pottle at cs.wisc.edu (Sam Pottle) brucep at dsinet.dgtl.com (Bruce Powell) tpuskar at aol.com (Tom Puskar) steveq at teleport.com (Stephen Quarterman) cyberbilly at aol.com (Tod Ralstin) mratliff at gatecoms.gatecom.com (Mark Ratliff) wildcat at teleport.com (Ken Rea) rroberts at ccpace.com (Rock Roberts) dave at cdf.ca.gov (Dave Sapsis) dave_sapsis at fire.ca.gov (David Sapsis) ssmith1 at drew.edu (Suzette Smith) ricks at mathworks.com (Rick Spada) james at aob.org (James Spence) spiess at norand.com (Gary Spiess) rswan1 at aol.com (Robert Swan) taratoot at peak.org (mark taratoot) nthaggard at aol.com (Neill Thaggard) briantulow at aol.com (Brian Tulowiecki) juknalis at arserrc.gov (Joe Uknalis) vitt at rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Leo Vitt) nccomed1 at aol.com (William Wagner) mike_wallace at ncsu.edu (Mike Wallace) walls at e7sa.epi.syr.ge.com (Scott Walls) waltman at netcom.com (Fred Waltman) weaver at spdc.ti.com (Tyler Weaver) chuckmw at mcs.com (Chuck Wettergreen) whitingt at iex.com (Mitchel Whitington) beer at novalink.com (Gary Whitten) bhwilson at delphi.com (Larry Wilson) wolff at eclus.bwi.wec.com (Bob Wolff) mpw0001 at jove.acs.unt.edu (Matthew Woodward) wright at ftn.net (Bill Wright) wrigleyd at ohsu.edu (David Wrigley) steve at snake.appl.wpafb.af.mil (Steve Zabarnick) ------------------------------ End of JudgeNet Digest ************************