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("Nathaniel P. Lansing") Re: World Homebrew Contest Judging (Jim Dipalma) Exam Expenses (Scott Bickham) Sam Adams judging (Kevin Schutz) Who's Who (Mailing list Admin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 01:51:45 -0600 From: ddavison at earth.execpc.com (Dennis Davison) Subject: Monies again >Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 09:44:08 -0800 (PST) >From: Mark Taratoot >Subject: RE: Monies > >If we ask judges to PAY to take the exam, PAY to register their points, >PAY an annual membership, PAY the related expense to get to a competition >and, then why does the BJCP PAY exam administrators, directors and >graders? As judges we volunteer to judge; we pay with our time as well as >our money to get to a competition and judge one or more flights. Exam >administrators get points, right? Why do they need both dollars AND >points. What about volunteerism? Point well taken. Consider Russ Wigglesworth our PA. He's putting out close to $200 a month. That's just phone, postage, stationary. Now what about all that time he's putting in. He get's nothing. That's were he volunteers. The same holds true for every other position. Including the exam administrator. I recently gave the exam in Iowa City. I got a whole $21.50. Gas cost me $25 plus another $5.50 in tolls. I purchased paper, ran xeroxes, and gave my time. Did I make any money, no. Did I donate some of my time to the BJCP, yes. In four months, I've put out $32 for postage which I've never charged back to the BJCP as well as about $50 in phone calls. You must remember that these people also give there time to competitions just as you do. Anything associated with the BJCP in an official capacity is somewhat subsidized. Our time to the program 5-15 hours a week is more than enough to say we are donating to the program. >> We now pull the one mailing that gives judges their current point awards in >> March at a cost $1500. ($1.00 per judge, to include postage, envelopes, >> toner cartridges, paper, xeroxing, folding). > >What about post cards? No cost for envelopes, postage is less, and no >folding costs. It really doesn't make much difference what gets sent out. The major cost is POSTAGE. That eats up 1/3 of the costs off the top. The amount of info you can place on a postcard is also limited. As Gregg Smith mentions: >An unfortunate part of life is that we must all make decisions regarding >financial priorities. For example I belong to a couple of associations that >have great conferences that I will not attend because of the expense. It's >really too bad but that's the choice I make. I do however, pay dues to get >their newletters, support their work and to "keep my credentials updated" >(sound familiar?) If it's to much a burden to pay dues and put in the travel >and pay for expenses etc while judging, it begs the question...."why do it" >Why not just stay at home and do just the local competitions. That's all I >did in a bad financial time about two years ago. I'm crazy enough to fly and drop $200 on a ticket to a regional competition. I could just stay home, but I view these little weekend excursions as mini-vacations where I get to try the newest micro and pub beers. One organization I know of has a $300 per year fee. Sure they get a nice monthly magazine (with advertising). Some of the dues help bring in speakers to the local area, but some of the money pays for the local chapter officers expenses to the National conference. We're not asking for anything like this. Were talking $10. Less than two six packs of beer. This would actually fund a bi-monthly newsletter. A newsletter that would not only inform people what was going on, but could also feature style articles, judging techniques, and everything that this program has lacked from day one, and has really needed. How do we educate judges? At competitions. It doesn't help the occasional judge that does two local events a year. >The bottom line is if we don't come up with some additional $$$ the program >will die. I'm in favor of dues or whatever other action it takes to remain >solvent. Gregg, I think that's a bit extreme. The BJCP will continue to function, but it'll be like a bird with a broken wing. Never really getting off the ground, just hobbling around. >Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 21:20:51 -0500 (EST) >From: "Nathaniel P. Lansing" >Subject: Dues > > Thank-you Dennis, I knew if I squeaked loud enough I would get oil, in >this case a breakdown of income/expenses. This will answer many questions to >many people. I really am not against supporting the Program; I hope you >remember an email, forwarded to you by Chuck Cox, stating my offer to >underwrite an ad in Brewing Techniques so we could let the clubs know we are >alive and well, and here to register their competitions. Maybe we can get >considerably more than 60 comps this year. Now that this offer is 'public' >you know it was not idle chatter. The income/expense info was a valid question. There is nothing secret about that. Maybe 10% of the BJCP knew about the breakdown of costs associated with the exam beforehand. I don't know if I ever thanked you for that offer. What everyone fails to realize, is that we are just a word of mouth organization. If we want to grow, and continue to get judges in areas of this country that are judge poor, we need to take out ads in most, if not all of the magazines that are out there. There are homebrewers out there that do not belong to clubs (work second shift, have family obligations, bowl the night of the club meetings, etc), that might be interested in Beer Judging. How do we approach these people? Ads. A 1/6 of a page Ad would run about $1000 per year per magazine. Once we get incorporated and non-profit (after the by-laws get ratified), we might be able to get that cost reduced some. Previously, the ads in Zymurgy helped the program grow, in small communities in this country. There are still areas that don't have BJCP judges. Omaha, Nebraska being one that I know of off the top of my head. And yes, they do have homebrew stores and clubs. These ads should be supported by the exams and the competitions. Dennis Davison ddavison at earth.execpc.com BJCC Midwest Region Chairperson of the BJCP ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 10:19:48 -0500 (EST) From: "Nathaniel P. Lansing" Subject: Why judge? In Judgenet #1187 Dennis states, "You really have to ask yourself why you judge." Oh, I really did that a long time ago, and before that competition I mentioned. I judge because: I_like_ to help out other clubs when I can. I_like_to meet people I've met online here. I_like_to help carry 20 cases of beer up 2 flights of stairs. I_like_to learn from other judges. I_like_to be of assistance to other brewers when I can. I_like_to spend $3.00 to mail a comp organizer $1.00 worth of hops & $.50 worth of rice hulls. I_like_to spread good will between clubs and judges. I_like_to drive the 300 miles back in 10 inches of snow and make it to our club's meeting on Sunday. I would_like_to do it all again. Call me misguided but these things make me feel warm and fuzzy. What I don't like is: Secret policy discussion on how to spend_my_money. Online policy discussion turning into personal attack. If this discussion of dues for a newsletter has been going on for a while now, had the question had been posted here; "Is there any great objection to a self-sustaining quarterly newsletter costing you $5.00?" "Ask the judges you know that aren't online and get back to us soon" I bet the answer would have been an overwhelming "Sounds great, lets do it." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Dec 95 10:23:55 EST From: dipalma at sky.com (Jim Dipalma) Subject: Re: World Homebrew Contest Judging Hi All, In JudgeNet #1187, Tim Dalton writes: >The inconsistencies in the scoresheets is probably due to the >fact that there was no organization of judges at all. >People could sit with whom ever they wanted and judge with them. >Thus, there were lots of friends pairing up, leaving some people not >in the program to fend for themselves. Each time I walked into the room where the judging was taking place, I was simply asked "Will you judge ?". I'd say yes, and the very next person who answered that question in the affirmative was placed on the same panel. To my knowledge, no one was checking the credentials or relative experience levels of judges on the same panel. For all three flights I judged that day, I was on a panel with someone of roughly the same experience level. Tom Martyn writes: >There were over 1600 beers >to judge in two days, and not nearly enough experienced judges. IMHO, the organizers were simply overwhelmed by the sheer size of the competition. In addition to lack of experienced judges and organization of judging panels, the stewards were having a lot of logistical problems getting beers to the judging tables. Between the first and second flights, I had occasion to chat with a fellow member of Brew Free Or Die, who was stewarding at the next table. I was told they were using a small room just outside the judging room as a "staging area." Most of the entries had been stored in a larger room downstairs. A member of the BBC staff was continually bouncing cases of entries up a flight of stairs to the staging area on a dolly, shaking them up nicely. The same entries were taken to the judging tables within 30 minutes. The same steward also told me a number of entries were being dropped in their haste to get the beers to the judging area. We had to recap no fewer than 3 of the 13 beers in our first flight, since the other bottles had been dropped and broken. In all fairness, I think the BBC did their best to put on a first rate competition. If they decide to do this again next year, I would certainly judge again. I feel the problems that have been noted here were simply due to the huge number of entries. Someone suggested (don't have the attribution, sorry) that the competition should be split up geographically, I think that's an excellent idea. Three judging sites, located somewhere along the Left Coast and perhaps the Chicago area, in addition to Boston, would split the entries up into a more manageable number. This would likely result in 500-600 entries each, which is still a very large competition, but it would also increase the available pool of experienced judges. Cheers, Jim dipalma at sky.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 10:39:13 -0500 (EST) From: Scott Bickham Subject: Exam Expenses Mark Taratoot writes: > If we ask judges to PAY to take the exam, PAY to register their points, > PAY an annual membership, PAY the related expense to get to a competition > and, then why does the BJCP PAY exam administrators, directors and > graders? As judges we volunteer to judge; we pay with our time as well as > our money to get to a competition and judge one or more flights. Exam > administrators get points, right? Why do they need both dollars AND > points. What about volunteerism? There are a number of misconceptions here. First of all, judges have not been asked to pay an annual membership. It was brought out for discussion to get some feedback, although I feel it should be tabled until some mailings go out from the BJCC. In addition, judges have never been asked to PAY to register their points. Finally, and this is my main peeve with your comments, is that the BJCP does not PAY administrators or graders to handle the exams, but we do REIMBURSE for expenses. I accrue an average of $40 in expenses for each exam that is given, so I for one am happy to get reimbursed for the $300 in expenses that the Fall exams cost me. The people involved in the BJCP are very conscious of this, and in fact, the Associate Directors have even returned money to the BJCP when they felt they were given more than their expenses. Here is a breakdown of the exam monies: Sponsor: Phone the Exam Director to schedule the exam, make and distribute copies of the BJCP Guide, find an appropriate site, assist the administrator with purchasing or finding cups and beer, often phones participants with their scores after the exam. Administrator: Make copies of the exam papers; collect beer, paper, pencils and other items related to the exam; send completed exams to Exam Director; often phones examinees when the grading has been completed. Both the sponsor and administrator recieve 10% of the exam fees, which usually, but not always (as in the case of the Iowa City exams) covers the expenses. The sponsor's share is sometimes donated to the BJCP, but usually goes to the sponsoring homebrew club in which case it can be distributed among the participants. I would be uncomfortable in reducing these amounts, because without these people, the exam would not take place. Graders and Directors: Receive a total of 20% of the exam fees to cover the expenses. The graders get $1.50 per exam, which covers $3 in priority mail fees to return the exams to the directors and what is usually a 15-30 minute long distance phone call to arrive at consensus scores. My responsibilities include (a) copying completed exams, program guidesand other papers, printing out letters, exams, forms, etc.; (b) mailing exams to both graders, letters and various BJCP papers to exam sponsors and administrators, signed Report to Participants to the Program Administrator; and (c) long distance phone calls related to scheduling exams, finding graders and returning results. To give you an idea of how this is divided up, my approximate costs for the months of September through December were: (a) Copying and Printing: $150, (b) Postage: $200 and (c) Phone: $50. These expenses are directly related to the exams, and while I am more than willing to donate 10-20 hours per week to the BJCP, I will not spend $1600 of my own money to cover the BJCP's expenses for a calender year. Would you? Similarly, graders and associate directors spend 5-10 hours on each set of exams, and while they are willing to donate their time and expertise, they should not be asked to foot the bill for expenses that are directly related to the BJCP. To summarize: There is a fixed cost of approximately $25 per exam to REIMBURSE administrators, sponsors, graders, directors and the program administrator for expenses accrued during the scheduling, proctoring, grading and returning of the results. This nets the BJCP approximately $5 and $25 for retakes and first takes, respectively and as Dennis Davison pointed out, this money will be used for pins for the National and Master Judges and for mailing of point updates. In the past, this money was paid to the AHA for their expenses related to the BJCP, but now we are fortunate to have control over the accounting and how it's spent. I hope I cleared up a few things. Scott Bickham BJCP Exam Director - -- ==================================================================== E-Mail: bickham at dave.nrl.navy.mil FAX:(202) 404-7546 Office: Naval Research Laboratories Home and BJCP: Code 6691, Complex Systems 7507 Swan Point Way Washington, D.C 20375 Columbia, MD 21045 (202) 404-8632 (410) 290-7721 ==================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Dec 95 10:56:03 MST From: kschutz at atmel.com (Kevin Schutz) Subject: Sam Adams judging I thought some of the judges out in cyberland might like this datapoint. After reviewing my score sheets for my beer I entered in the recent Sam Adams competition, I'd have to say that the scores and comments correlate well with other reviews of the beer. Overall, this beer has been submitted to 5 competitions over 8 months, and has been evaluated by a total of 13 judges. Only 1 judge was a repeat in these 5 competitions (and he ended up with the same final score). All final scores were within 9 points (there's a correlation with the beer aging and the scores dropping off, but within each competition, the scores are within 4 points). Overall, the comments are fairly consistent. Of the 13 judges, the ranks were: National 1 Certified 3 Recognized 4 App/Novice 4 Other 1 (Brewer) While this is just a single data point on 1 beer, I think it does show that the overall state of judging is fairly consistent between regions. While I know that the Sam Adams competition was a hugh undertaking, I'd have to say that my beer wound up just about where it should have. Happy new year everyone! 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# Recognized Judges # 74444.1666 at compuserve.com (Jon Allen) andy at fpusa.demon.co.uk (andy anderson) baier_t at salt.plu.edu (Tom Baier) chrisb3 at ix.netcom.com (Chris Balboni) ballhorn at optimage.com (Bill Ballhorn) scott at partech.com (Scott Barrett) jeremybb at leland.stanford.edu (Jeremy Bergsman) jeffb at shore.net (Jeff Biegert) brudr at aol.com (Jeff Boggess) kbooth at ingham.k12.mi.us (Jim Booth) kbooth at isd.ingham.k12.mi.us (jim booth) bradley at adx.adelphi.edu (Rob Bradley) jbrown at earth.execpc.com (Jeffrey Brown) bbrowne at golder.com (Barry Browne) stephen_buonocore at nyccip01.lehman.com (Stephen Buonocore) bobsbrew at aol.com (Bob Calhoun) 0002039152 at mcimail.com (Tom Clifton) gcb at fc.hp.com (Glenn Colon-Bonet) james at krl.com (James Cox) dalton at subpac.enet.dec.com (Tim Dalton) rmdavis at cal.mobil.com (Randy Davis) jdelapp at halcyon.com (John DeLapp) pauld at aristotle.saic.com (Paul Demmert) u52983 at uicvm.uic.edu (Roger Deschner) docherty at arco.com (Shane Docherty) drin0004 at tc.umn.edu (David Drinkwater) erickson_rb at atc.alcoa.com (Rolf Erickson) tee at cray.com (Tony Ernst) espouf at rpi.edu (Francois Espourteille) #bruce.feist at f615.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Bruce Feist) folsom at ix.netcom.com (Alan Folsom) froeh at jpats.ecc.naa.rockwell.com (Michael Froehlich) gellym at aviion.persoft.com (Mitch Gelly) #polly.goldman at f615.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Polly Goldman) graff008 at maroon.tc.umn.edu (Kurt Graffunder) brew at devine.columbiasc.ncr.com (Jim Griggers) hagger at aol.com (Roger Haggett) joseph at joebloe.maple-shade.nj.us (Joseph_N Hall) hamlec1 at medtronic.com (Cushing Hamlen) jhinken at accessone.com (Jim Hinken) ehitchcock at sparc.uccb.ns.ca (Ed Hitchcock) holton at donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Greg Holton) marhug at telecom.usu.edu (Marc Hugentobler) yeastme at aol.com (Keith Huizinga) jones_sa at atc.alcoa.com (Steven Jones) ao915 at detroit.freenet.org (Stephen Klump) kolodzie at casper.med.uth.tmc.edu (Steve Kolodziej) pkrebs at cris.com (Paul Krebs) pkrebs at cris.com (Paul Krebs) gwk at world.std.com (Greg Kushmerek) plfrog at aol.com (Peter LaFrance) rll at cptech.com (Robert Lamothe) delbrew at pgh.nauticom.net (Nathaniel Lansing) jleak at vnet.ibm.com (John Leak) fjl at dpci.sannet.gov (Frank Leers) trl at wuerl.wustl.edu (Tom Leith) rich at lenihan.iii.net (Rich Lenihan) jliddil at azcc.arizona.edu (Jim Liddil) richard-lloyd at uokhsc.edu (Rick Lloyd) rnjloud at aol.com (Richard Loud) macala at pop.com (Jerry Macala) lakcobru at wwa.com (Rich Madole) manning_martin_mp at mcst.ae.ge.com (Martin Manning) mare at vetsci.agpharm.arizona.edu (John Mare) tmartyn at aol.com (Tom Martyn) starplex at magnum.wpe.com (John Mason) r.mcglew3 at genie.geis.com (Ray McGlew) asm at med.unc.edu (Andrew McKenzie) mumbly at netcom.com (Tim McNerney) pmiller at mmm.com (Phil Miller) scott at gordian.com (Scott Murphy) todd_nelson at gtech.com (Todd Nelson) gneuman at ppg.com (George Neuman) tolsen1 at aol.com (Tim Olsen) uswlsrap at ibmmail.com (Robert Paolino) rpmattie at omni.voicenet.com (Renee Peloquin_Mattie) krisperez at aol.com (Kristine Perez) wayne_l_pier at nslc.fmso.navy.mil (Wayne Pier) kjbrew at aol.com (Ken Rich) ja_rosen at qmail4.nba.TRW.com (Joel Rosen) drudolph at ix.netcom.com (Don Rudolph) rsantore at mailbox.syr.edu (Robert Santore) 102160.1456 at compuserve.com (Mark Schmitt) shoej at aol.com (David Schoemaker) kschutz at atmel.com (Kevin Schutz) psedgwick at aol.com (Paul Sedgwick) skeel at fcrfv2.ncifcrf.gov (Alison Skeel) mcksmith at iadfw.net (McKee Smith) sterner at cv.hp.com (John Sterner) stevens at stsci.edu (Mark Stevens) sullivan51 at aol.com (John Sullivan) kurt.swanson at dna.lth.se (Kurt Swanson) btalk at aol.com (Bob Talkiewicz) terfintt at apci.com (Terry Terfinko) TrubRacker at aol.com (Andrew Udalovas) 73113.1574 at compuserve.com (Steve van_Noppen) twaldon at fcc.gov (Tracy Waldon) beerwriter at aol.com (Alan Wax) jweerts at olympia.com (John Weerts) swh at ll.mit.edu (Sarah White) 73524.2447 at compuserve.com (Jim Wise) lowguy at aol.com (Gilbert_Scott Wolfe) bmw at teleport.com (Brad Woods) # # Apprentice Judges # anderegg at divnc.com (Murray Anderegg) paul at grammatech.com (Paul Anderson) thomas.w.ausfeld at dartmouth.edu (Tom Ausfeld) ckxb66b at prodigy.com (Bettina Barbier) dbeedle at rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Dave Beedle) cdb1 at axe.humboldt.edu (Cary Bellak) gunnarb at stavanger.sgp.slb.com (Gunnar Berge) michael at wupsych.wustl.edu (Mike Biondo) mole at netcom.com (Aaron Birenboim) bliss at convex.com (Brian Bliss) blue at cam.nist.gov (Jim Blue) anders.bostrom at mollehem.se (Anders Bostrom) embreed at sfovmic1.vnet.ibm.com (Emily Breed) bli at psuvm.psu.edu (Jeff Brendle) munches at aol.com (Jim Brennan) eddie-brian at uiowa.edu (Eddie Brian) ray at hwr.arizona.edu (Ray Brice) jbbs at aol.com (Joe_Bob Briggs-Stratton) bronyaur at u.washington.edu (David Brockington) muh84 at aol.com (Kevin Brooks) brosnihan at aol.com (Frank Brosnihan) jpbrewing at aol.com (Jeffrey Brown) bbumbarg at acc.haverford.edu (Bruce Bumbarger) bush at shbf.se (Robert Bush) charlie at halcyon.com (Charles Castellow) fchambers at aol.com (Frederick_M Chambers) coddfish at aol.com (Chris Coddington) coffel at crl.com (Karen Coffel) karen.coffel at ncal.kaiperm.org (Karen Coffel) zz11p9c at pentagon-emh6.army.mil (Peter Cooke) edcuz at aol.com (Ed Cousineau) 7059940 at mcimail.com (Harry Covert) kcreswick at aol.com (Kirk Creswick) gdanz at harris.com (George Danz) darling_ge at brutus.vought.com (Jerry Darling) psd1 at midway.uchicago.edu (Pratik Dave) briand at vt.edu (Brian Davidson) davidson at emba.uvm.edu (Darryl Davidson) palmer at ansoft.com (Palmer Davis) tdenny at rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Tom Denny) aderr at bbn.com (Alan Derr) tdoak at genetics.utah.edu (Tom Doak) jgdoyle at uci.edu (Jim Doyle) akcs.jebel at vpnet.chi.il.us (Jason Ebel) kilers at aol.com. (Kevin Eilers) chrisbac at rice.edu (Chris Eisbach) sescorza at sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Sergio Escorza) darren at ua1vm.ua.edu (Darren Evans-Young) ron.ezetta at tek.com (Ron Ezetta) 74650.1072 at compuserve.com (John Faulks) pblshr at aol.com (Tom Finan) jimfitz at netcom.com (Jim Fitzgerald) gjfix at utamat.uta.edu (George Fix) francisco at lan.ccit.arizona.edu (John Francisco) rfugitt at ix-netcom.com (Ray Fugitt) sgarling at aol.com (Steve Garling) rgarr at cis.compuserve.com (Robin Garr) rgarvin at access.digex.net (Rick Garvin) tgaskell at e3sa.elab.syr.ge.com (Tom Gaskell) jason at gibson.sde.hp.com (Jason Goldman) sargee at aol.com (Chris Gordon) clgow at crl.com (Charlie Gow) green at hpmtaa.lvld.hp.com (Bob Green) greengj0 at seraph1.sewanee.edu (Greg Greene) egross at unix.cc.emory.edu (Lee Gross) juglr at intgp1.att.com (John Gunser) joseph-judge at joebloe.maple-shade.nj.us (Joseph Hall) psvenh at aol.com (Peter Hanson) lhart at caticsuf.csufresno.edu (Lowell Hart) herreras at bcvms.bc.edu (Stephen Herrera) herrick at email.wiesbaden.army.mil (Jim Herrick) Rev_J at MSN.com (Barry Hibbing) khinsman at aol.com (Kathy Hinsman) hirahara at pfizer.co.jp (Kazuhira Hirahara) imakebeer at aol.com (Robert Hops) troy at oculus.jsei.ucla.edu (Troy Howard) jhump at aol.com (Jeff Humphreys) jhurley at netcore.ca (Thomas Hurley) hyre1 at muvms6.mu.wvnet.edu (Mark Hyre) minglis at ix.netcom.com (Mike Inglis) brewercam at aol.com (Cam Ireland) bmjermyn at aol.com. (Brian Jermyn) kejones at ptdcs2.intel.com (kelly jones) deronk at slpc.com (Deron Kazmaier) keane at cs.rutgers.edu (John Keane) keinert at iastate.edu (Fritz Keinert) mike.keller at genie.geis.com (Mike Keller) lfk at veritas.com (Lynn Kerby) dkerfoot at freenet.macatawa.org (Douglas Kerfoot) jason at mathworks.com (Jason Kinchen) kindel at aster.colorado (Bruce Kindel) jkinder at seraph1.sewanee.edu (Jackie Kinder) ekleber at qualcomm.com (Evan Kleber) dkryzan at aol.com (Doug Kryzan) jal at gonix.com (Jim Larsen) jal at techbook.com (Jim Larsen) mol at jyu.fi (Mika Latokartano) mlentz at bioch.tamu.edu (Mike Lentz) steve at inet.ttgva.con (Steven Lichtenberg) steve at pentagon-emh6.army.mil (Steve Lichtenberg) Kari.Likovuori at mol.fi (Kari Likovuori) lollr at hq36abw.andersen.af.mil (Ric Loll) ktl at kittyhawk.aero.rmit.oz.au (Katie Lord) macdonak at meena.cc.uregina.ca (Kerry Macdonald) magdek at lonexa.admin.rl.af.mil (Kevin Madge) johnmaj at aol.com (John Majetic) bteditor at aol.com (Stephen Mallery) mark.manteufel at toro.com (Mark Manteufel) lmatt at nando.net (Larry Matthews) mccauley_je at lfs.loral.com (Joe McCauley) mchenry at syrres.com (Patrick Mchenry) sturdy at itsa.ucsf.edu (Sturdivant McKee) smessin100 at aol.com (Steve Messinger) michalski_jm at castor.wustl.edu (Jeff Michalski) ac051 at osfn.rhilinet.gov (Eric Miller) p26948 at email.mot.com (Michael Millstone) dminbreb at Brazosport.cc.tx.us (Scott Mindrebo) mlm01 at intgp1.att.com (Mike Montgomery) rmoore9011 at aol.com (Bob Moore) rmoucka at omn.com (Ron Moucka) damroc at aol.com (David Mroczkowski) tarfunk at aol.com (Mort O'Sullivan) timp770515 at aol.com (Tim Papich) epearson at nr.infi.net (Ed Pearson) perkins at zippy.ho.att.com (Mark Perkins) epeters at rtp.semi.harris.com (Eric Peters) philbric at bose.com (Drew Philbrick) rmphilli at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ron Phillips) jpilhoefer at aol.com (John Pilhoefer) pottle at cs.wisc.edu (Sam Pottle) tpuskar at aol.com (Tom Puskar) steveq at teleport.com (Stephen Quarterman) cyberbilly at aol.com (Tod Ralstin) mratliff at gatecoms.gatecom.com (Mark Ratliff) wildcat at teleport.com (Ken Rea) rroberts at ccpace.com (Rock Roberts) steve.robinson at analog.com (Steve Robinson) dave at cdf.ca.gov (Dave Sapsis) dave_sapsis at fire.ca.gov (David Sapsis) ssmith1 at drew.edu (Suzette Smith) ricks at mathworks.com (Rick Spada) james at aob.org (James Spence) spiess at norand.com (Gary Spiess) rswan1 at aol.com (Robert Swan) taratoot at peak.org (mark taratoot) nthaggard at aol.com (Neill Thaggard) briantulow at aol.com (Brian Tulowiecki) juknalis at arserrc.gov (Joe Uknalis) vitt at rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Leo Vitt) nccomed1 at aol.com (William Wagner) mike_wallace at ncsu.edu (Mike Wallace) walls at e7sa.epi.syr.ge.com (Scott Walls) waltman at netcom.com (Fred Waltman) weaver at spdc.ti.com (Tyler Weaver) chuckmw at mcs.com (Chuck Wettergreen) whitingt at iex.com (Mitchel Whitington) beer at novalink.com (Gary Whitten) bhwilson at delphi.com (Larry Wilson) wolff at eclus.bwi.wec.com (Bob Wolff) mpw0001 at jove.acs.unt.edu (Matthew Woodward) wrigleyd at ohsu.edu (David Wrigley) steve at snake.appl.wpafb.af.mil (Steve Zabarnick) ------------------------------ End of JudgeNet Digest ************************