From synchro!judge-owner at uu6.psi.com Mon Apr 24 03:37:30 1995 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["10355" "" "24" "April" "1995" "02:17:34" "EST" "JudgeNet Administrator" "judge-owner at synchro.com" nil "256" "JudgeNet Digest #1027 (Apr 24, 1995)" "^Date:" nil nil "4" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: by totalrecall.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.6.12/2.3) with X.500 id DAA21075; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 03:33:13 -0400 Received: from goodman.itn.med.umich.edu by totalrecall.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.6.12/2.3) with SMTP id DAA21062; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 03:33:10 -0400 Received: from uu6.psi.com by goodman.itn.med.umich.edu with SMTP id AA08628 (5.65b/IDA-1.4.3 for spencer at umich.edu); Mon, 24 Apr 95 03:33:08 -0400 Received: from synchro.UUCP by uu6.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA12036 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 95 03:22:18 -0400 Received: by synchro.com (smail2.5) id AA29835; 24 Apr 95 02:17:34 EST (Mon) Reply-To: judge at synchro.com (JudgeNet) Errors-To: judge-error at synchro.com Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <9504240217.AA29835 at synchro.com> Date: 24 Apr 95 02:17:34 EST (Mon) From: judge-owner at synchro.com (JudgeNet Administrator) To: judge-recipients at synchro.com (JudgeNet Recipients) Subject: JudgeNet Digest #1027 (Apr 24, 1995) JudgeNet Digest #1027 Mon 24 Apr 1995 JudgeNet The Beer Judge Digest digest submissions: judge at synchro.com administrative requests: judge-request at synchro.com send cancellations & rank updates to the administrative address messages sent to the wrong address will be ignored FTP Archives: guraldi.hgp.med.umich.edu in /pub/judge WWW Archives: http://guraldi.hgp.med.umich.edu/Beer/Judge Gopher Archives: guraldi.hgp.med.umich.edu Editor: Chuck Cox Archivist: Spencer Thomas Publishers: SynchroSystems and the Riverside Garage & Brewery Anti-Prohibitionists may also be interested in LiBeerty: The Libertarian Beer Digest Subscription info: libeerty-request at synchro.com Contents: 1995 MAZER CUP ("Daniel S McConnell") 1995 MAZER CUP Sanctioning (Jim Dipalma) REGIONAL REPRENTATIVES ("PATRICK N. BAKER") Re: Points and Beer ("Lee C. Bussy") 687 entries in Chicago and they won't all be COLD ("Roger Deschner ") ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 21 Apr 1995 09:10:54 -0400 From: "Daniel S McConnell" Subject: 1995 MAZER CUP Subject: 1995 MAZER CUP 1995 MAZER CUP MEAD COMPETITION ANNOUNCEMENT Tight-edit bandwidth conserving version ELIGIBILITY: All Makers of Mead are eligible. ENTRY REQUIREMENTS: The usual requirements and rules. Two *small* bottles. Please. WHEN, WHERE, HOW All entries will be accepted between Mon. May 8 and Fri. May 19, 1995. First round judging will be held on Fri. May 26 in Ann Arbor, MI All qualified mead judges regardless of your affiliation or politics/poetics are invited to attend and judge. Judges will be fed, clothed, sheltered and otherwise treated like Royalty. AWARDS AND PRIZES: The mazers are hand-thrown at the prestigious Pewabic Pottery. MISC INFORMATION: e-mail to Dan McConnell (DanMcC at umich.edu) will get you the unabridged edition of this announcement (or check the Mead Lovers Digest), or a s-mail postable copy of this flyer and entry forms. Electronic entry forms are highly encouraged! I am also serving as an judge contact. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-== DanMcC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 95 15:22:03 EDT From: dipalma at sky.com (Jim Dipalma) Subject: Sanctioning Hi All, In JudgeNet #1025, Kieran O'Connor writes: >Also I agree with Bill Giffin--I metioned the "sanctioning" aspect of AHA >events to some of the BJCC members. The AHA should have to pony up >sanctioning dollars in the future if it wants points recorded for the >judges. If the AHA does have its own program, then it probably won't >really care, and the BJCP would accept points. >If, however, the AHA has no judge program, as it looks like now, it will >be forced to pay the BJCP for sanctioning for not only the nationals, but >also the club only competitions. This year's nationals are a freebie, >next year the AHA should have to pay up to the region in which the 1st >round and other rounds are given. If it doesnt sanction, I would guess >it would be tough to get judges to judge. I couldn't agree more. IMHO, one of the first orders of business for the BJCC after the election should be to set up sanctioning policy and fees. The AHA made a unilateral decision to withdraw sponsorship of the program, apparently motivated by their own political and financial interests. If they cannot now get a judging program of their own together, they should have to pay for BJCP sanctioning. ************************************** Also in JudgeNet #1025, someone with the pseudonym "Doc" sez: >I've received _all_ the mail from the AHA regarding their position on the >BJCP(BJCC), and I think they're doing a good job so far. Doing a good job of *what* exactly? If you mean furthering their own self interests at the expense of the membership they puport to represent, I guess I have to agree. >The AHA'll handle this thing just >fine, Oh yeah, they have such a stunning track record in this regard, look how gracefully they handled dropping co-sponsorship of the BJCP. :-) (smiley included for the totally sarcasm-impaired). >Doc. Are you really Doc from the Seven Dwarfs, or did Dopey post this while your terminal was unattended?? Jim ------------------------------ Date: 21 Apr 95 19:03:43 EDT From: "PATRICK N. BAKER" <74443.3040 at compuserve.com> Subject: REGIONAL REPRENTATIVES ***THIS IS BETTY ANN SATHER SPEAKING As BJCP judges, we are being asked to choose 7 regional representatives to the BJCP Board of Directors. This in my opinion, is an organizing and directing group and not the workers bees. Before I nominate people to this post, I am thinking about what the requirements are for the job. Here's what I've come up with. Excellent professional, managerial skills Excellent communication ability including E-mail capabilities Proven leadership ability Excellent "team player" ability Excellent interpresonal skills An effective achiever - i.e. gets things done efficiently and quickly Excellent knowledge and experince in the BJCP Time availability Willingness to serve and be accountable Is this what you perceive the requirements to be? Cheers, Betty Ann Sather ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 20:05:16 +0000 From: "Lee C. Bussy" Subject: Re: Points and Beer Howdy All! Just finished a Thomas Hardy's all by myself so I'm in a pretty good mood! My wife was offered some but she declined this style... I offered right? :) Um, some comments on the whole points thing: Greg Walz pretty much summed up what I was thinking the whole time about judging... points are hard to come by in some areas. If you are lucky enough to be in one of those areas that have a competition within a few hours drive every weekend, great. I really am happy for you (really!). I and alot of other judges are not. I wait eagerly for competitions in KC, St Louis, Topeka and anywhere else within a days drive so I can see my old friends, meet new ones and EARN POINTS! So what? I'm a point whore. If you can't have it it just makes you want it more (guys, you know what I'm talking about!). It does not affect the way that I appropach judging... I judge at just about every homebrew meeting as we do not have many judges around here.. the local brewers are dying for feedback.... even from me. I don't get points for that and I should'nt but if I had to travel 7 hours (like St Louis) to judge a competition and I wasn't going to get any points... yes I would look at it a little different. And Greg has another good point.... Money. It's not always easy to go somewhere for the weekend. Some of us can't afford to do it as much as we'd like. Judging should'nt be only a rich man;s hobby. No flames... if you can afford it then great.. I'm not knocking it. I remember telling my wife I was going to take The Test. More Money!!!!!?????? Are you crazy??!! I was out of work of course... still did it and I'm glad I did but the trip up to KC to take the test pretty much eliminated our budget for that week. I guess the point is: Don't automatically assume that points and experience comes easy. It does not for many of us. If you are one of the lucky ones then I envy you. Next point: In a conversation with Steve Hamburg he made me remember a valuable point.... it's only beer! Not rocket science, not politics, not even a cure for the world's ills... just beer. A hobby. I need to mellow out about it and I know other do too. You know who you are. - -- -Lee Bussy | The 4 Basic Foodgroups.... | leeb at southwind.net | Salt, Fat, Beer & Women! | Wichita, Kansas | http://www.southwind.net/~leeb | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 19:54:53 CDT From: "Roger Deschner " Subject: 687 entries in Chicago and they won't all be COLD We have 687 entries in AHA NHC 1st Round Chicago Region. This is *MORE* than last year's 666. We have nearly enough judges to do this thing properly, although 1 or 2 more would of course let us sleep a little easier about the possibility of last-minute cancellations. (And get the Beer Geeks to brunch with Michael Jackson on time on Sunday.) Sounds like business-as-usual a week before a large contest. Perhaps, if there is a "boycott" going on, then this boycott is being boycotted (or at least ignored) here amongst the Flyover People? The temperature that the entries are served at is ENTIRELY up to the local organizers, of which I am one for the Chicago First Round. The AHA does not have strict stipulations here ("Remove Barkey Wines from cooler 1:45 before judging; remove American Lager 0:00 before judging..." gimmeabreak.) The entries are all presently being stored at about 40F. We will be making our best effort to remove the different categories at some appropriate time in advance to permit them to warm to a "proper" temperature, but you must be aware that exact precision here is not humanly possible. We are limited by such factors as building layout, shortage of stewards, outside ambient temperature, indoor ambient temperature, and the availability of people to get the beer warming up enough in advance of early morning judging sessions. But we will definitely make our BEST EFFORT to present the beers at something like the proper serving temperature. (No need to flood Karen B. with e-mail about this.) And we think that will be quite a bit better than some of the horror stories which have been posted previously in this thread. =============== "Civilization was CAUSED by beer." ===================== Roger Deschner University of Illinois at Chicago rogerd at uic.edu Aliases: u52983 at uicvm.uic.edu U52983 at UICVM.BITNET R.Deschner at uic.edu /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ NHC '95 Chicago Region Entry Registrar /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ ------------------------------ End of JudgeNet Digest ************************