From synchro!judge-owner at uu6.psi.com Wed Apr 19 03:43:51 1995 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["9147" "" "19" "April" "1995" "02:18:00" "EST" "JudgeNet Administrator" "judge-owner at synchro.com" nil "228" "JudgeNet Digest #1024 (Apr 19, 1995)" "^Date:" nil nil "4" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: by totalrecall.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.6.12/2.3) with X.500 id DAA02606; Wed, 19 Apr 1995 03:43:49 -0400 Received: from goodman.itn.med.umich.edu by totalrecall.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.6.12/2.3) with SMTP id DAA02600; Wed, 19 Apr 1995 03:43:47 -0400 Received: from uu6.psi.com by goodman.itn.med.umich.edu with SMTP id AA28817 (5.65b/IDA-1.4.3 for spencer at umich.edu); Wed, 19 Apr 95 03:43:44 -0400 Received: from synchro.UUCP by uu6.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA07314 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 95 03:30:27 -0400 Received: by synchro.com (smail2.5) id AA08952; 19 Apr 95 02:18:00 EST (Wed) Reply-To: judge at synchro.com (JudgeNet) Errors-To: judge-error at synchro.com Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <9504190218.AA08952 at synchro.com> Date: 19 Apr 95 02:18:00 EST (Wed) From: judge-owner at synchro.com (JudgeNet Administrator) To: judge-recipients at synchro.com (JudgeNet Recipients) Subject: JudgeNet Digest #1024 (Apr 19, 1995) JudgeNet Digest #1024 Wed 19 Apr 1995 JudgeNet The Beer Judge Digest digest submissions: judge at synchro.com administrative requests: judge-request at synchro.com send cancellations & rank updates to the administrative address messages sent to the wrong address will be ignored FTP Archives: guraldi.hgp.med.umich.edu in /pub/judge WWW Archives: http://guraldi.hgp.med.umich.edu/Beer/Judge Gopher Archives: guraldi.hgp.med.umich.edu Editor: Chuck Cox Archivist: Spencer Thomas Publishers: SynchroSystems and the Riverside Garage & Brewery Anti-Prohibitionists may also be interested in LiBeerty: The Libertarian Beer Digest Subscription info: libeerty-request at synchro.com Contents: Beer, cold beer.... (Lowell Hart) First Round Registration, CT (Sarah White) Sanctioned competitions and points (Bill Giffin) Greg Walz, good/bad judging (Ed Westemeier) Donations? ("Nathaniel P. Lansing") ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 23:46:40 -0700 From: Lowell Hart Subject: Beer, cold beer.... >Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 10:46:26 -0500 >From: billg at giffin.iii.net (Bill Giffin) >Subject: Cold beer >Top of the morning to ye all, >I have judged at the National's for the past two years and the beer >both time was colder than a well digger's butt in February and in Maine that >is very cold. >I have tryed a number of times to convince Karen at the AHA that it >is extremely important to have the beer presented to the judges at the >proper temperature. I have not been able to get anything more from her then >she would relay my concerns to the site directors. That and $3 will get me >a beer at $3 Dewey's in Portland. Not that you're likely to come out here to judge, Bill, but we may have your answer. Our judging room at the first round here in Fresno is part of the Enology building at Fresno State, which is to say the winery. We will be using a 2-stage cold box, one within the other, to store beers. The inner room runs 40-45F, while the outer runs in the 45-50F range but warms up. We are planning on sorting out the flights well before the event, and putting the ale-temp. beers out in the warmer room early enough to serve correctly. This should beat last years temp. control method, consisting of putting the beers out on a room-temperature table and hoping your timing is good. I saw a good example of your complaint last November at the California state homebrew competition. Putting the beers out back on the picnic tables behind the Stern Grove clubhouse is fine organizing. Unfortunately, while we know that San Francisco weather is far from the body heat generated by someone with a shovel in Maine, we can assume that your 40-degree F bottle of beer isn't going to warm up very quickly. Lowell Hart San Joaquin WortHogs Raketenflugplatz, Fresno lhart at cati.CSUFresno.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 95 09:46:47 -0400 From: swh at ll.mit.edu (Sarah White) Subject: First Round Registration, CT When I spoke with Bill Woodring on 6 April, he said that a mailing would go out and that I should immediately fill out the Judge Registration form and return it to him. A letter did arrive, postmarked 6 April from Boulder, but it did not include such a form. Did anyone else who registered as a judge receive the form? Could they post it? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 10:25:31 -0500 From: billg at giffin.iii.net (Bill Giffin) Subject: Sanctioned competitions and points Top of the morning to ye all, Its good to hear that Greg Waltz has more to him then just chasing his tail for points and he looks at the hobby as a way to get recognition for his judging and brewing . So far I can agree with that. If he had expressed that idea in his post we perhaps could have agreed with him. Greg said >I've judged many impromptu "competitions" (we have one every other month to select an entry for the AHA's "Club-Only" competitions), but the point system gives competitions an aura of professionalism that would be lacking without it. I know that a competition that gives me points will be sanctioned and will most likely be run in a professional manner, having such things as legitimate score sheets and the beers served at the correct temperature. Gregg the AHA Nationals gives points and its is not sanctioned, how can you sanction your own competition? I question that the Nationals have been or will be run in a professional manner when they 1. break their own rules of competition and 2. don't serve the beer at the correct temperature. To have some aura of creadibilty the AHA should have its competition sanctioned by the HWBTA and have to pay the HWBTA to record the points as does every other sanctioned competition in the country. By the by it was nice to see the post from James Spence. I thought that Boulder had fallen off Planet Beer never to be seen nor heard from again. Perhaps they will now be willing to share their ideas for judging as they see it. Then again perhaps they are out looking for larger and colder walkin coolers for next year's competition May the wind be always at you back, Bill Bill Giffin 61 Pleasant St. Richmond, ME 04357 (207)-737-2015 All you need is a few good friends and plenty to drink because thirst is a terrible thing! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 20:37:40 -0400 From: hopfen at iac.net (Ed Westemeier) Subject: Greg Walz, good/bad judging OK, folks, I'm much better at lurking than pontificating, but I've gotta put my two coppers in here. First, about Greg Walz: I'ved judged with this guy at many competitions during the last couple of years, both the kind where we got BJCP points and the kind where we just did it for the sake of doing it. Greg is one of the most meticulous and conscientious judges I've ever known. I'm a National judge too, so I've been around a bit and I still say that I'd be very happy to have Greg judge any beer I made. Second, also about Greg: I have received so many TOTALLY UNSOLICITED comments from brewers about the extraordinarily high quality of score sheets that Greg has filled out that I'm convinced he's one of the best judges we have. He not only gives great feedback, he goes out of his way to provide a sheet of paper that a contest entrant can use to both learn something valuable and use to improve the next entry. OK, the guy likes to get points and takes pride in it. Big deal, the same goes for me. Further, the same subject: Thanks to Al Korzonas, who did such a beautiful job of describing the highly ranked judge who doesn't know his ass from his glass but intimidates the less experienced judge at the same table. Any really experienced judge has seen this, and it simply proves that being able to pass a test and then going to lots of competitions does NOT make a good judge. In fact, I've occasionally been surprised when an unranked judge has pointed out nuances in a beer that I missed but was able to recognize when shown. In short, I've never learned as much in such a concentrated time as during the hours I've spent judging at competitions. Even when I'm the most experienced judge at a table (which is often, these days) I still manage to pick up a thing or two from the other judges in a flight. Face it, none of us has Michael Jackson's palate, so we're all capable of learning from almost anyone. If a person has the interest to sit down an judge a flight of beers at a competition, he or she deserves to be listened to no matter how few points are on the record. Whew! OK, off the soapbox. Ed ****************************** * Ed Westemeier * * Cincinnati, Ohio * * E-mail: hopfen at iac.net * * Phone: (513) 321-2023 * ****************************** ------------------------------ Date: 18 Apr 95 21:33:35 EDT From: "Nathaniel P. Lansing" <76422.2455 at compuserve.com> Subject: Donations? Ok, suppose I have some disposable income laying around with nothing to do with it. Where do I send it to help out with the up-coming election costs? Is there a bank account? I know there is at least 1 other judge that would send some money if we had an address or something. Also I know at least 8 new judges that are not online and are feeling uneasy about the program 'cause of the aha pulling out. I'm sure if they got some mailings, a news letter or something,it would help reassure them that we are alive and well. Please let me know and $$$ will be sent immediately. ------------------------------ End of JudgeNet Digest ************************