From synchro!judge-owner at uu6.psi.com Fri Mar 31 05:36:40 1995 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["12712" "" "31" "March" "1995" "02:19:47" "EST" "JudgeNet Administrator" "judge-owner at synchro.com" nil "325" "JudgeNet Digest #1011 (Mar 31, 1995)" "^From:" nil nil "3" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: by judgmentday.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.6.10/2.2) with X.500 id FAA24082; Fri, 31 Mar 1995 05:36:38 -0500 Received: from goodman.itn.med.umich.edu by judgmentday.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.6.10/2.2) with SMTP id FAA24077; Fri, 31 Mar 1995 05:36:37 -0500 Received: from uu6.psi.com by goodman.itn.med.umich.edu with SMTP id AA22859 (5.65b/IDA-1.4.3 for spencer at umich.edu); Fri, 31 Mar 95 05:36:34 -0500 Received: from synchro.UUCP by uu6.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA04802 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 95 05:27:42 -0500 Received: by synchro.com (smail2.5) id AA02809; 31 Mar 95 02:19:47 EST (Fri) Reply-To: judge at synchro.com (JudgeNet) Errors-To: judge-error at synchro.com Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <9503310219.AA02809 at synchro.com> From: judge-owner at synchro.com (JudgeNet Administrator) To: judge-recipients at synchro.com (JudgeNet Recipients) Subject: JudgeNet Digest #1011 (Mar 31, 1995) Date: 31 Mar 95 02:19:47 EST (Fri) JudgeNet Digest #1011 Fri 31 Mar 1995 THE BEER JUDGE DIGEST digest submissions: judge at synchro.com administrative requests: judge-request at synchro.com send cancellations & rank updates to the administrative address messages sent to the wrong address will be ignored FTP Archives: guraldi.hgp.med.umich.edu in /pub/judge WWW Archives: http://guraldi.hgp.med.umich.edu/Beer/Judge Gopher Archives: guraldi.hgp.med.umich.edu Editor: Chuck Cox Archivist: Spencer Thomas Publishers: SynchroSystems and the Riverside Garage & Brewery Contents: The silence is deafening (John DeCarlo ) UPS Shipping Homebrew (Michael L Montgomery +1 708 979 4132) Carbonators in Contests? ("Kieran O'Connor") Sounds of Silence ("Rad Equipment") Sounds of Silence Time:8:15 AM Date:3/30/95 Re: Call your local judges! (Brian J Walter (Brewing Chemist)) AHA National Prelims (Norman Dickenson) Announcing the BJCP subdomain (Chuck Cox) Oh, let's start a style discussion:IMPERIAL STOUT (uswlsrap) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Mar 95 07:38:29 EST From: John DeCarlo Subject: The silence is deafening hopfen at iac.net (Ed Westemeier) writes: >If we knew what was going on behind the scenes, many of us could >do quite a lot in support of it, here in our own areas. Good point. >A bit of guidance, please? Before we have to give up and accept >the AHA's program because they're the only game in town? Yow! Remember that they have exactly *nothing* so far. No rules, no exams, no process, just a survey. At this point there is only potential in any direction you look. John DeCarlo, MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA--My views are my own Fidonet: 1:109/131 Internet: jdecarlo at mitre.org ------------------------------ Date: 30 Mar 95 09:05:00 -0600 From: mlm01 at intgp1.att.com (Michael L Montgomery +1 708 979 4132) Subject: UPS Shipping Homebrew I know this is not judging related, but I wanted to see if anyone is seeing a trend here. Today I got the UPS B...S... of not shipping bottles. I brought some homebrew into the UPS customer counter, packed in a Beer Across America box, to ship to a local competition, and because the bottles moved around a little, the clerk wanted to look into the box. When she discovered that the bottles were filled with beer, she said that under no circumstances can she ship them. She pulled out a handwritten note stating that beer and wine can be shipped by distributers only!!! Is something going on with UPS? Are they cracking down on our shipments to competitions? She looked like she was waiting for the opportunity to find beer or wine and refuse shipment. A while back, someone posted that it was OK to ship with UPS. They even produced the Section and code number from the UPS guidelines. Could you please post the rules again? Mike Montgomery mlm01 at intgp1.att.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 11:50:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Kieran O'Connor" Subject: Carbonators in Contests? I'm plannng our fall contest--and was considering accepting carbonators for entries. We have a lot of keggers--and I'd like to get them to enter their brews. Potential problems: 1) We'd have to return the carbonators--so I'll have ot come up with some sort of system. 2) The entry would have to be topped up with C02 in case it's needed for BoS. I have a guy who is willing to do that for us--so that's not a problem-- 3) Any others? Also--I'm considering expanding what is acceptable bottle wise--I'd like to accept splits if people are willing to enter them. A lot of mead makers bottle in small bottles, for example. And some folks bottle only in big ones. Any pitfalls here? Anyone have any experience with any of these two variants, i.e. carbonators and odd sized obttles, in their competitions? Kieran ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Kieran O'Connor koconnor at mailbox.syr.edu Syracuse, N.Y. USA In vino veritas; in cervesio felicitas. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: 30 Mar 1995 11:07:42 U From: "Rad Equipment" Subject: Sounds of Silence Subject: Sounds of Silence Time:8:15 AM Date:3/30/95 Look. We (the BJCC) are busting buns trying to agree as to how best to get this election and the transfer of power acomplished. We have enough to do keeping up with each other and still live our NORMAL lives. We don't need this constant prodding. Calls for jumping ship and setting up a renegade program are counter productive. We are not spinning our wheels. We are doing what we said we'd do. We are trying to operate as a democracy (at least within the committee right now). There will be an election. It will be held regionally. The goal is to complete it by July 4th ('95). There will be a general letter explaining all this very soon. The reason it has yet to go out is we are trying to get as much into it as we can and that keeps changing. We are also trying to conserve resources. Nobody is going to loose any points or status as a result of the changes in the BJCP. Please let us do our job! Thank you, RW... Russ Wigglesworth (INTERNET: Rad_Equipment at radmac1.ucsf.edu - CI$: 72300,61) UCSF Dept. of Radiology, San Francisco, CA (415) 476-3668 / Home (707) 769-0425 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 14:57:11 -0700 (MST) From: walter at lamar.ColoState.EDU (Brian J Walter (Brewing Chemist)) Subject: Re: Call your local judges! Spencer.W.Thomas at med.umich.edu wrote: > Kieran O'Connor wrote about Call your local judges!: > > They are especially clueless about the AHA's "new" program. > > Heck, I think we're all clueless about the AHA's program. I haven't > heard anything substantive from them yet. Yet we are all really clueless about the 'BJCP' as well. We haven't heard anything concrete about either program. Hard to beleive with the volume of the digest as of late. ;^> Good Day, - --bjw Brian J Walter Chemistry Graduate Student walter at lamar.colostate.edu RUSH Rocks Best Homebrewer & AHA/HWBTA Beer Judge (Whatever that means ;^> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 14:44:11 -0800 From: Norman Dickenson Subject: AHA National Prelims AHA National Prelims There has been some scuttlebutt circulating that some BJCP judges planned to boycott the AHA National Competition preliminarys in protest of the AHA's action of withdrawing their co-sponsorhip of the BJCP. It would surely be a sad day if judges really did this. Regardless of the AHA, there still is a BJCP. Your fellow homebrewers and judges in seven sites are really the ones putting on these events with a whole lot of volunteer hard work by many, many people. These people are doing this for YOU, not the AHA. Regardless of your personal viewpoint of the AHA, HWBTA, BJCP or any other group, the National Competition put on by the AHA is a great way to get people together on a regional basis for what is undeniably the biggest and best homebrew competition in the nation. As a recently appointed at-large member of the Beer Judge Certification Committee, I feel that I can speak for the Committee as a whole in stating that the BJCP is not about trashing those with whom we disagree (been there, done that, wish I hadn't), but rather associating with like minded individuals who are enthusiastic about making, drinking, evaluating and talking about beer. To boycott will only hurt your friends and deprive you of a great time. The sponsoring organization will not even notice your absence. Our friends who run the AHA don't have horns, they're just not set up to be a democratic association. Live with it. Why don't we all bury the hatchet and move on with co-existing. We might actually have more fun. And don't be too quick to write off the BJCP. Nothing has changed except that we are now independent of the AHA and the HWBTA and have scheduled elections for regional representatives to a new governing body. You will hear more about this very soon. Norman Dickenson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 95 21:36:27 EST From: chuck at synchro.com (Chuck Cox) Subject: Announcing the BJCP subdomain In order to improve communications amongst and to the BJCP staff, I have established a BJCP subdomain at synchro.com. Currently you can send mail to individuals and groups of staff members. Here are the addresses currently available at bjcp.synchro.com: ######################## BJCP STAFF ############################# ##### CO-DIRECTORS (non-voting) ##### pat: 74443.3040 at compuserve.com (Pat Baker - HWBTA) ##### ASSOCIATE DIRECTORS (non-voting) ##### tom: tayres at aol.com (Tom Ayers - AHA) ##### COMMITTEE CHAIR (voting) ##### russ: rad_equipment at radmac1.ucsf.edu (Russ Wigglesworth - AHA) ##### COMMITTEE REPRESENTATIVES (voting) ##### rob: wknn70a at prodigy.com (Rob Bates - HWBTA) john: mdhb07e at prodigy.com (John Dale - AHA) norman: norman.dickenson at sonoma.edu (Norman Dickenson - IND) gregg: gsmithbeer at eworld.com (Gregg Smith - HWBTA) steve: strouds at polaroid.com (Steve Stroud - IND) ##### PROGRAM ADMINISTRATOR (non-voting) ##### james: james at aob.org (James Spence - AHA) ##### DATABASE & EMAIL ADMINISTRATOR (unofficial) ##### chuck: chuck at synchro.com (Chuck Cox - IND) ##### DISTRIBUTION LISTS ##### staff: pat,tom,rob,john,norman,gregg,steve,russ,james,chuck bjcc: pat,tom,rob,john,norman,gregg,steve,russ,james directors: pat,tom admin: james,chuck To use any of the above addresses, simply prepend the name to at bjcp.synchro.com, i.e. steve at bjcp.synchro.com or staff at bjcp.synchro.com. Email sent to the personal aliases will take longer than directly addressed mail because it will be queued for an hour or so as it is routed through synchro, but the aliases are convenient if you don't know someone's address. The distribution lists are probably self-explanatory, but I'll explain anyway. Staff includes the entire BJCP staff. BJCC includes all voting and non-voting members of the BJCC as defined in the bylaws. Directors includes all Directors and Associate Directors. Admin includes all Administrators. - -- Chuck Cox SynchroSystems / Riverside Garage & Brewery - Cambridge, Mass. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 22:50:12 EST From: uswlsrap at ibmmail.com Subject: Oh, let's start a style discussion:IMPERIAL STOUT Subject says it. Opinions, substantiated or otherwise :-): Is roasted barley a _required_ characteristic of an Imperial "Stout"? I've seen things written both ways in various sources. Jackson, for example, does refer to a roasty character, but seems to put more emphasis on that "burnt-currant" thaaang. Others write that it's simply a very dark, or black, barley wine, that it's not really a stout at all. AHA guidelines, FWIW, don't seem to require the "black" colour. They list stouts as 40+ SRM, and Imperials as 20+, yet I've been scored down for one not being as black as a stout. I've been scored by a National judge whose opinion I respect, twice on two different batches, that it lacks a roasted character, and, on one of the beers, that my entry was really a much better barley wine than an Imperial Stout. (Yet, I'm sure that the particular beer as a barley wine would be scored down for not having the huge hop nose of a Bigfoot, even though the hop character in the more traditional barley wines is more subdued.) If the profile of an Imperial really does require the roasted barley, then educate me (and others). If it doesn't, let's educate all the judges who insist on it. When it comes down to it, the discussion should be about better brewing, right? Time for me to NGHAB. Now go have a beer, Bob Paolino / Disoriented in Badgerspace / uswlsrap at ibmmail.com - ---THE INTERNET: Hardwiring the neurons of the global brain:--- One geek at a time.... - --------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of JudgeNet Digest ************************