From synchro!judge-owner at uu6.psi.com Mon Mar 20 09:49:11 1995 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["5536" "" "20" "March" "1995" "07:19:20" "EST" "JudgeNet Administrator" "judge-owner at synchro.com" nil "140" "JudgeNet Digest #1002 (Mar 20, 1995)" "^From:" nil nil "3" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: by truelies.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.6.9/2.2) with X.500 id JAA02390; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 09:49:03 -0500 Received: from goodman.itn.med.umich.edu by truelies.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.6.9/2.2) with SMTP id JAA02385; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 09:49:02 -0500 Received: from uu6.psi.com by goodman.itn.med.umich.edu with SMTP id AA24414 (5.65b/IDA-1.4.3 for spencer at umich.edu); Mon, 20 Mar 95 09:49:00 -0500 Received: from synchro.UUCP by uu6.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA17867 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 95 09:25:48 -0500 Received: by synchro.com (smail2.5) id AA13881; 20 Mar 95 07:19:20 EST (Mon) Reply-To: judge at synchro.com (JudgeNet) Errors-To: judge-error at synchro.com Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <9503200719.AA13881 at synchro.com> From: judge-owner at synchro.com (JudgeNet Administrator) To: judge-recipients at synchro.com (JudgeNet Recipients) Subject: JudgeNet Digest #1002 (Mar 20, 1995) Date: 20 Mar 95 07:19:20 EST (Mon) JudgeNet Digest #1002 Mon 20 Mar 1995 THE BEER JUDGE DIGEST digest submissions: judge at synchro.com administrative requests: judge-request at synchro.com send cancellations & rank updates to the administrative address messages sent to the wrong address will be ignored FTP Archives: guraldi.hgp.med.umich.edu in /pub/judge WWW Archives: http://guraldi.hgp.med.umich.edu/Beer/Judge Gopher Archives: guraldi.hgp.med.umich.edu Editor: Chuck Cox Archivist: Spencer Thomas Publishers: SynchroSystems and the Riverside Garage & Brewery Contents: Judges LOSING point? ("Kieran O'Connor") HWBTA COMPETITION RECOGNITION ("PATRICK N. BAKER") JUDGE QUALITY ASSURANCE ("PATRICK N. BAKER") BIERE DE GARDE ("PATRICK N. BAKER") ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 14:18:04 -0500 (EST) From: "Kieran O'Connor" Subject: Judges LOSING point? I recently judged in Troy NY. The organizer had *8* no shows for judges. I didn't get much response on this post last time--so I thought I'd repost since the signal to noise ration has decreased. I was assistant organizer of our club competition last fall, and will be the organizer for this fall's. One of the problems we had, and I know other competitions have, is judges/stewards who sign up, and then don't show. I understand that people have problems which prevent them from coming--car troubles, kids, etc, but we certainly were streched at our competition--and we could have used a few more judges (who couldn't!). Anyway--here's a suggestion. What if we penalized "confirmed" judges one point if they don't show or call. I mean I don't want to be a dink about this--but it seems only fair--you get a point for judging-and lose one for not. Kieran ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Kieran O'Connor E-Mail Address: koconnor at mailbox.syr.edu Syracuse, N.Y. USA In vino veritas; in cervesio felicitas. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 95 21:39:13 EST From: "PATRICK N. BAKER" <74443.3040 at compuserve.com> Subject: HWBTA COMPETITION RECOGNITION I thank Greg Walz for his kind words about the HWBTA Homebrew Competition Guide. The HWBTA program is intended to be a service to members, and while it is an alternate to AHA sanctioning, it has have never really tried to compete with the AHA. The position of the new BJCP on recognition and sanctioning will come after elections, and in the not too distant future. In the meantime, the HWBTA will be happy to respond to inquiries about recognition. Send inquiries to me directly by E-Mail. I will put you in touch with your local competition coordinator. Include your mailing address so I can send you an application form. By the way, judge experience points are recorded with the BJCP. However, HWBTA policy in the interim is to send a copy of the judge report to the AHA for inclusion in whatever program they come up with. Pat Baker, HWBTA Mole ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 95 21:39:16 EST From: "PATRICK N. BAKER" <74443.3040 at compuserve.com> Subject: JUDGE QUALITY ASSURANCE Thumbs up on Mitch's suggestion to refer to Judge Quality Assurance, not Judge Quality Control. Why didn't we think of that? It will be done. Regarding Andrew Patrick's request for a Judge Code of Conduct, it should be done, and I would hope in the new organization, it will be done. In the old BJCP, there was no structure to do things like that, and it was all us worker-bees could do to keep up with giving and scoring exams. Someone else asked about the by-laws? They are currently being modified to reflect an independent BJCP. Hopefully, within a few weeks, they will be available. I would hope they would be put on JudgeNet. Nuff said. Pat Baker ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 95 21:39:21 EST From: "PATRICK N. BAKER" <74443.3040 at compuserve.com> Subject: BIERE DE GARDE Re Tom Clifton's "What is right? query about Biere de Garde. One of the joys of retirement is doing things like renting an apartment in Brussels for a month and shagging beers. Betty Ann and I did that in December. We created some amusement for the locals by saying we were "beer pilgrims," trying to find and drink from the tap closest to each Trappist brewery. We did a day trip to the Lille area investigating Biere de Gardes. We located all of the breweries on the map, but visited only Castelain. Interestingly, no one in Flanders or northern France is aware of Biere de Garde as a beer style. This seems to be a Michael Jackson concept that has been enshrined by the AHA. According to Castelain, the only thing Biere de Garde means is that the beer has been stored a bit, and that it might be slightly higher than normal in alcoholic strength. It can be light or dark, it can be an ale or lager. I suspect we have a major style glitch here and should eliminate Biere de Garde as a style designation. BA and I are going back in June, will spend three days in Flanders, and will come back with the real skinny on Biere de Gardes. Your Beer Pilgrim! ------------------------------ End of JudgeNet Digest ************************