From synchro!judge-request at uu6.psi.com Wed Feb 1 06:33:59 1995 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["23384" "" " 1" "February" "1995" "05:13:37" "EST" "JudgeNet Administrator" "judge-owner at synchro.com" nil "506" "JudgeNet Digest #956 (Feb 01, 1995)" "^From:" nil nil "2" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: by totalrecall.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.6.9/2.3) with X.500 id GAA07153; Wed, 1 Feb 1995 06:33:56 -0500 Received: from goodman.itn.med.umich.edu by totalrecall.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.6.9/2.3) with SMTP id GAA07148; Wed, 1 Feb 1995 06:33:54 -0500 Received: from uu6.psi.com by goodman.itn.med.umich.edu with SMTP id AA15557 (5.65b/IDA-1.4.3 for spencer at umich.edu); Wed, 1 Feb 95 06:33:51 -0500 Received: from synchro.UUCP by uu6.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA26888 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 95 05:10:43 -0500 Received: by synchro.com (smail2.5) id AA23053; 1 Feb 95 05:13:37 EST (Wed) Reply-To: judge at synchro.com (JudgeNet) Errors-To: judge-error at synchro.com Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <9502010513.AA23053 at synchro.com> From: judge-owner at synchro.com (JudgeNet Administrator) To: judge-recipients at synchro.com (JudgeNet Recipients) Subject: JudgeNet Digest #956 (Feb 01, 1995) Date: 1 Feb 95 05:13:37 EST (Wed) JudgeNet Digest #956 Wed 01 Feb 1995 THE BEER JUDGE DIGEST digest submissions: judge at synchro.com administrative requests: judge-request at synchro.com send cancellations & rank updates to the administrative address messages sent to the wrong address will be ignored FTP Archives: guraldi.hgp.med.umich.edu in /pub/judge WWW Archives: http://guraldi.hgp.med.umich.edu/Beer/Judge Gopher Archives: guraldi.hgp.med.umich.edu Editor: Chuck Cox Archivist: Spencer Thomas Publishers: SynchroSystems and the Riverside Garage & Brewery Contents: Re: JudgeNet Digest #955 (Jan 31, 1995) (GSMITHBEER) AHA and the BJCP (Karen Barela/AHA President) Mead at Homebrew Contests? (David Holsclaw) Who's Who (Mailing list Admin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Jan 95 06:14:45 PST From: GSMITHBEER at eworld.com Subject: Re: JudgeNet Digest #955 (Jan 31, 1995) As a new member of the BJCC I am pleased with the opportunity to congratulate everyone who has advanced in rank over the past year. If you have any comments or observations on the BJCP (or activities of the BJCC) I am anxious to hear your opinion. Please feel free to contact me via this forum or at GSMITHBEER at eWorld.COM Gregg Smith ------------------------------ Date: 31 Jan 95 18:54:24 EST From: Karen Barela/AHA President <75250.1350 at compuserve.com> Subject: AHA and the BJCP January 31, 1995 It is with regret that the American Homebrewers Association has found it necessary to cancel joint sponsorship of the Beer Judge Certification Program. The joint sponsorship of the program, formed in 1985 under an agreement with the Home Wine and Beer Trade Association will no longer be in effect as of April 19, 1995. We are not yet certain about the changes that will take place as we are still discussing the situation with HWBTA and BJCC representatives. Under the terms of the original agreement, either program sponsor can cancel the joint sponsorship with 90 days written notice to the other sponsor. I notified HWBTA President Desmond Lundy in writing on January 18, 1995 that the agreement has been canceled. We sincerely hope that the cancellation of the BJCP will go smoothly during this 90 day period. It is our intention to work carefully and conscientiously with the HWBTA and BJCC so that the transition can be handled to the satisfaction of the members of the BJCC, both former sponsoring organizations, and BJCP judges. We regret that we were unable to resolve the differences in philosophy and style that have held back the current BJCP. The AHA is committed to making this transition a positive one. We have long desired the BJCP to be educational, accessible, responsive and international in scope. Because of this philosophy, we have decided to develop a new beer evaluation program, one that represents the wide diversity of competitions and judging in this country and the international community. Current BJCP judges will be welcome to participate in the new program with equivalent judging status. We also plan to form a new committee structure, elected from the existing pool of BJCP judges. Our goal is to build the best program possible. A formal announcement with details about the transition will be mailed to all judges at a later date. In the meantime, the program will continue unchanged through April 19, 1995. Sincerely, Karen Barela President, American Homebrewers Association Please direct all inquiries regarding this announcement to Karen Barela, AHA President, PO Box 1679, Boulder, CO 80306-1679, (303) 447-0816, FAX (303) 447-2825, CompuServe 75250,1350 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 20:22:47 +73800 (CST) From: dhholscl at rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (David Holsclaw) Subject: Mead at Homebrew Contests? At our last club brew, after the wort was happily in glass and becoming beer, and after more than a few of the previous batches had been "tested", a rather heated debate arose over mead at homebrew contests. It was argued that mead was an entirely different type of a home-made beverage (much closer to wine than beer) and that it did not belong at a "beer" contest. After all, we don't have wine categories? BTW, the guy who started the argument against mead, was the same guy who won Best-of-Show at our contest last year (with his mead). I just wondered what the group's feeling on this was? While I'm asking, how about cider? - -- | "What'll you have, Norm?" David Holsclaw | "Fame, fortune, and fast women." dhholscl at rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu | "How 'bout a beer?" | "Even better." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Feb 95 3:15:04 EST From: listadm at synchro.com (Mailing list Admin) Subject: Who's Who ################################# ## ## ## JudgeNet ## ## the beer judge digest ## ## ## ## subscriber list ## ## ## ## (addresses prefaced with ## ## '#' are relayed) ## ## ## ################################# # ### Relay Sites # beer.judge at f615.n109.z1.fidonet.org (The Enlightened Board) # ### Federation of Amateur Wine and Beer Guilds (FAWBG) - NL # # Master Wine Judge # victor.reijs at surfnet.nl (Victor Reijs) # ### National Guild of Wine and Beer Judges (NGWBJ) - UK # # Examiner # g.a.cooper at gre.ac.uk (Geoff Cooper) # ### Beer Judge Certification Program (BJCP) - USA # # Director # 74443.3040 at compuserve.com (Pat Baker) # # Associate Director # stroud%gaia at polaroid.com (Steve Stroud) # # Committee Representative # rad_equipment at radmac1.ucsf.edu (Russ Wigglesworth) # 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