From synchro!judge-request at uu6.psi.com Sat Jan 21 06:41:59 1995 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["3627" "" "21" "January" "1995" "05:12:30" "EST" "JudgeNet Administrator" "judge-owner at synchro.com" nil "92" "JudgeNet Digest #948 (Jan 21, 1995)" "^From:" nil nil "1" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: by truelies.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.6.9/2.2) with X.500 id GAA18793; Sat, 21 Jan 1995 06:41:56 -0500 Received: from goodman.itn.med.umich.edu by truelies.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.6.9/2.2) with SMTP id GAA18779; Sat, 21 Jan 1995 06:41:41 -0500 Received: from uu6.psi.com by goodman.itn.med.umich.edu with SMTP id AA09615 (5.65b/IDA-1.4.3 for spencer at umich.edu); Sat, 21 Jan 95 06:41:28 -0500 Received: from synchro.UUCP by uu6.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA12470 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 95 06:24:22 -0500 Received: by synchro.com (smail2.5) id AA25438; 21 Jan 95 05:12:30 EST (Sat) Reply-To: judge at synchro.com (JudgeNet) Errors-To: judge-error at synchro.com Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <9501210512.AA25438 at synchro.com> From: judge-owner at synchro.com (JudgeNet Administrator) To: judge-recipients at synchro.com (JudgeNet Recipients) Subject: JudgeNet Digest #948 (Jan 21, 1995) Date: 21 Jan 95 05:12:30 EST (Sat) JudgeNet Digest #948 Sat 21 Jan 1995 THE BEER JUDGE DIGEST digest submissions: judge at synchro.com administrative requests: judge-request at synchro.com send cancellations & rank updates to the administrative address messages sent to the wrong address will be ignored FTP Archives: guraldi.hgp.med.umich.edu in /pub/judge WWW Archives: http://guraldi.hgp.med.umich.edu/Beer/Judge Gopher Archives: guraldi.hgp.med.umich.edu Editor: Chuck Cox Archivist: Spencer Thomas Publishers: SynchroSystems and the Riverside Garage & Brewery Contents: yet more specialty discussion (MJL) HWBTA 1994 Herb/Specialty issues (Rick Garvin (703-761-6630)) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 08:16:06 -0400 (EDT) From: MJL at UNCVX1.OIT.UNC.EDU Subject: yet more specialty discussion First of all, Scott I think the world of you and if you had even a remote problem, I would have and still do, welcome your comments. (I'm assuming the competition in North Carolina was one that was and is dear to my heart.) secondly, regarding simply writing any additional specialty ingredients on my label works great for beers entered in the specialty category. I guess organizers (read me) are not prepared enough to ensure that stewards dictate the specialty ingredients in ALL categories, not just in the specialty categories. Think about it, how many times do you pause after the steward hands you an American Pale Ale waiting to hear what specialty ingredients are included? Now don't bite my head off, I know that Belgians and Am Pales are different and the likelyhood of specialty ingredients in Belgians is far greater than in Am Pales, but I'm trying to make a point. Regardless, we are currently planning to give Belgians an entire Friday event session to themselves before the Sat competition this year. Hopefully this will give such complex beers the time and space they deserve to be judged properly. Am I missing any other categories that the stewards distinctly told to examine and ensure that all special ingredients are listed? I am aware that this should be the case for all categories. Mike Lelivelt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 11:14:20 -0500 (EST) From: rgarvin at pop.btg.com (Rick Garvin (703-761-6630)) Subject: HWBTA 1994 Herb/Specialty issues Lowell and Scott were talking about issues surrounding beer categorization. Specifically regarding a duet of honey-basil-(etc.) beers. My call on all of these kinds of issues as competition organizer is that the brewer gets to decide where they will enter the beer and the judges are responsible for interpreting the guidelines. You can enter your jalapeno pilsner in Bock for all I care. I bet you will get less than 20 points, though! As for entering the same beer in multiple categories, I say go for it! I had an entry get 40s in both IPA and Old Ale at last years NHC. It is the brewers responsibility to select the category, the organizers responsibility to forward the list of specialty ingredients to the judges, and the judges responsibility to judge. This is not complex to a simple-minded fellow like me. Cheers, Rick Rick Garvin, rgarvin at btg.com, http://www.btg.com/~rgarvin BTG, Corporation Information Systems Group, Vienna, VA 703-761-6630 Senior Systems Engineer, Internet Administrator 800-548-7466 ------------------------------ End of JudgeNet Digest ************************