From synchro!judge-request at uu6.psi.com Thu Jan 19 06:49:42 1995 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["7009" "" "19" "January" "1995" "05:15:03" "EST" "JudgeNet Administrator" "judge-owner at synchro.com" nil "186" "JudgeNet Digest #946 (Jan 19, 1995)" "^From:" nil nil "1" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: by judgmentday.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.6.9/2.2) with X.500 id GAA07644; Thu, 19 Jan 1995 06:49:39 -0500 Received: from goodman.itn.med.umich.edu by judgmentday.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.6.9/2.2) with SMTP id GAA07639; Thu, 19 Jan 1995 06:49:38 -0500 Received: from uu6.psi.com by goodman.itn.med.umich.edu with SMTP id AA09093 (5.65b/IDA-1.4.3 for spencer at umich.edu); Thu, 19 Jan 95 06:49:33 -0500 Received: from synchro.UUCP by uu6.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA18927 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 95 06:23:28 -0500 Received: by synchro.com (smail2.5) id AA14687; 19 Jan 95 05:15:03 EST (Thu) Reply-To: judge at synchro.com (JudgeNet) Errors-To: judge-error at synchro.com Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <9501190515.AA14687 at synchro.com> From: judge-owner at synchro.com (JudgeNet Administrator) To: judge-recipients at synchro.com (JudgeNet Recipients) Subject: JudgeNet Digest #946 (Jan 19, 1995) Date: 19 Jan 95 05:15:03 EST (Thu) JudgeNet Digest #946 Thu 19 Jan 1995 THE BEER JUDGE DIGEST digest submissions: judge at synchro.com administrative requests: judge-request at synchro.com send cancellations & rank updates to the administrative address messages sent to the wrong address will be ignored FTP Archives: guraldi.hgp.med.umich.edu in /pub/judge WWW Archives: http://guraldi.hgp.med.umich.edu/Beer/Judge Gopher Archives: guraldi.hgp.med.umich.edu Editor: Chuck Cox Archivist: Spencer Thomas Publishers: SynchroSystems and the Riverside Garage & Brewery Contents: BJCP exam in Michigan (Spencer.W.Thomas) BJCP (Mike Preston) Catagories and special ingredients (Ed Hitchcock) BJCP Elections ("Rad Equipment") BJCP Elections Time:8:01 AM Date:1/18/95 Entry Info ("Rad Equipment") Entry Info Time:9:13 AM Date:1/18/95 Re: Specialty beers (Btalk) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 10:58:29 EST From: Spencer.W.Thomas at med.umich.edu Subject: BJCP exam in Michigan A reminder of the BJCP exam to be held in or near Ann Arbor, MI on Feb 11, 1994. Contact Bill Pfeiffer at 810-229-0727. I believe he is requesting a depost. =Spencer in Ann Arbor, MI ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 10:05:45 EST From: Mike Preston Subject: BJCP Hello all. I'm planning on taking the exam sometime this year, and I'd like to know a few things about it. First, how much is it now to take the exam for the first time? How long should I plan on being at the exam site? What is the passing minimum percentage? Are there any study guides/groups? That's all I can think of right now. Thanks in advance for your responses. Drink today, and drown all sorrow, You shall perhaps not do it tomorrow. Best to enjoy it while you're here, because in heaven there is no beer. See Ya......Mike Phone 32-32322 Fax 39-00651 E-Mail USFMC6TM at IMBMAIL.COM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 13:11:46 -0400 (AST) From: Ed Hitchcock Subject: Catagories and special ingredients I think some of this is getting way out of hand. I think it can be summed up as follows: The organizers should provide a list of unusual or special ingredients for the judges. In the case of Brett yeasts or other questionably "unusual" ingredients, perhaps the organizers should pass the onus on to the brewer. Include a statement such as "Indicate any ingredients which are out of the ordinary which you wish to bring to the attention of the judges" on the enrty form. As for strange styles (Adambier was mentioned), again the onus should be on the brewer. If there is no Adambier category, then the brewer can expect that there will be no judges capable of judging an Adambier, and such a beer should not be entered. We may push for the inclusion of other categories (ie Saison), but in the meantime, it is up to the brewer to enter beers according to the styles and guidelines submitted by the organizers. It's really not that complicated. ed ---------------- Ed Hitchcock, now on the right side of the student/staff division ehitchcock at sparc.uccb.ns.ca ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jan 1995 08:11:58 U From: "Rad Equipment" Subject: BJCP Elections Subject: BJCP Elections Time:8:01 AM Date:1/18/95 In response to Chuck Cox's request for a confirmation: Yes, the BJCC is in the process of creating MULTIPLE elected positions to expand itself. The goal is that these positions will be filled by participating BJCP judges who will be elected by other BJCP judges. The details are not firm yet and one large stumbling block is the cost of holding such an election. The BJCP budget is tiny and stretched to the limit. We hope to have positions filled by June. BJCP judges who are interested in filling these positions should contact me directly for more information. Russ Wigglesworth Chair, BJCC Russ Wigglesworth (INTERNET: Rad_Equipment at radmac1.ucsf.edu - CI$: 72300,61) UCSF Dept. of Radiology, San Francisco, CA (415) 476-3668 / Home (707) 769-0425 ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jan 1995 09:52:06 U From: "Rad Equipment" Subject: Entry Info Subject: Entry Info Time:9:13 AM Date:1/18/95 Regarding Bob Paolino's considerable post: >It could be that I'm being too lenient-- Not IMHO. Give the judges all the info supplied (providing it doesn't interfere with the anonymity factor) and put the beer in whatever category the entrant chooses. If there is a bizarre entry/category mix take the time to confirm the category with the entrant. I believe we could use a few more "no commercial or established style equivalent" categories in HB comps. Let's not forget to encourage the creativity factor that is unique to ultra small batch brewers. RW... Russ Wigglesworth (INTERNET: Rad_Equipment at radmac1.ucsf.edu - CI$: 72300,61) UCSF Dept. of Radiology, San Francisco, CA (415) 476-3668 / Home (707) 769-0425 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 16:56:29 -0500 From: Btalk at aol.com Subject: Re: Specialty beers Well, it looks like Bob Paolino's comment about Specialty Beers is helping to fill up space here ;) The Specialty category is a real pain in the butt to judge, IMHO. If the brew were labeled Maple Coriander Apricot Bock, I'd expect all of the flavors to be at least detectable. This style category is quite vague since almost anything goes. If I were entering this beer and the Maple was just not there, I wouldn't list it as an ingredient since I would expect the judges to be looking for it. I wouldn't leave anything for the judges to wonder about or have to guess. Just because it went in the brewpot (or carboy, or...), doesn't mean it will be expressed in the final product. I feel that it boils down to the entry being entered correctly by the brewer. Sort of along the lines of the beer entered as a Stout because it was made from a Stout kit, even though it more closely resembled a Porter. Perhaps not the best analogy, but a beer entered as a wrong style is not totally unheard of. The Specialty category ends up being a catchall for the brews that REALLY don't fit anywhere else. Sitting at the Specialty beer table is purgatory for judges who act up ;) Regards, Bob Talkiewicz ,Binghamton, NY ------------------------------ End of JudgeNet Digest ************************