From synchro!judge-request at uu6.psi.com Sat Jun 4 06:21:12 1994 Received: from uu6.psi.com by goodman.itn.med.umich.edu with SMTP id AA22313 (5.65b/IDA-1.4.3 for spencer at hendrix.itn.med.umich.edu); Sat, 4 Jun 94 06:21:07 -0400 Received: from synchro.UUCP by uu6.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA00432 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 94 06:11:22 -0400 Received: by synchro.com (smail2.5) id AA23624; 4 Jun 94 05:28:10 EDT (Sat) Reply-To: judge at synchro.com (JudgeNet) Errors-To: judge-error at synchro.com Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <9406040528.AA23624 at synchro.com> Status: RO X-Status: From: judge-request at synchro.com (JudgeNet Administrator) To: judge-recipients at synchro.com (JudgeNet Recipients) Subject: JudgeNet Digest #777 (Jun 04, 1994) Date: 4 Jun 94 05:28:10 EDT (Sat) JudgeNet Digest #777 Sat 04 Jun 1994 THE BEER JUDGE DIGEST Chuck Cox , publisher Michael Hall , archive administrator digest submissions to judge at synchro.com administrative requests to judge-request at synchro.com send rank updates to the administrative address messages sent to the wrong address will be ignored FTP archive information in /pub/judge/README on cygnus.ta52.lanl.gov Published by SynchroSystems and the Riverside Garage & Brewery Contents: Pre-scheduled BJCP exams (STROUD) Judging complaint (1st round) (Darren Evans-Young) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 03 Jun 1994 10:04:54 -0500 (EST) From: STROUD%GAIA at leia.polaroid.com Subject: Pre-scheduled BJCP exams For those of you who live in the Northeast or Mid-Atlantic states: Pat Baker, Co-Director of the BJCP, is pre-scheduling exams at McNeill's brewpub in Brattleboro, VT. Here are the details: THE BJCP EXAM WILL BE OFFERED ON THE FOLLOWING DATES: Saturday July 9, 1994 Saturday October 22, 1994 Saturday January 21, 1995 The exam will be held at McNeill's Family Pub, 90 Elliott Street, Brattleboro, VT. McNeill's is one of America's outstanding brewpubs. The exam will be held between 10 AM and 1 PM. It will be followed by a pizza and beer lunch and a tour of the pub brewery. Advance registration and a non-refundable deposit of $15 is required. The exam and lunch fee is $60, with a 40% discount for retakers. For further information on the exam, contact Patrick Baker, PO Box 81, Keene, NH 03431 (603) 355-3359 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jun 94 18:47:51 CDT From: Darren Evans-Young Subject: Judging complaint (1st round) Got my results back from 1st round...now it's time to complain. :-) Ok, rules say 10-14 oz green or brown glass bottles with no exterior markings on bottle (or caps). I bottled (from kegs) all my 1st round entries in green bottles and potential 2nd round entries in brown bottles. This was just a coding scheme I came up with to keep things straight. The VAST majority of my judging sheets had comments on there about the green bottles!!! Are the judges not aware that green bottles are acceptable? The color of the bottle has NOTHING to do with beer flavor UNLESS that bottle has been exposed to light. I feel that my overall scores may have suffered because the judges had that in the back of their mind. I had comments like "lose the green bottle", "flavor ok despite green bottle!" (like they were REAL surprised). Well, no sh*t! I dont store my bottles in the window. Seems like the judging was done backwards. Rather than detecting a flaw and then tracing that flaw to the bottle type, they saw green glass and then scrutinized my beer just looking for skunking or other flaw. If green bottles are so taboo, why are they listed as being acceptable in the rules!?!? Besides, all the homebrewers I know store beers in the dark. OK, now my point/suggestion. Change the rules and only accept brown bottles *OR* make sure the judges understand the rules and dont penalize brewers for following the rules. Darren P.S. - This isn't a case of sour grapes, by the way. Both beers in question made it to the 2nd round. :-) ------------------------------ End of JudgeNet Digest ************************