From synchro!judge-request at uu6.psi.com Thu May 19 06:32:43 1994 Received: from uu6.psi.com by goodman.itn.med.umich.edu with SMTP id AA24782 (5.65b/IDA-1.4.3 for spencer at hendrix.itn.med.umich.edu); Thu, 19 May 94 06:32:40 -0400 Received: from synchro.UUCP by uu6.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA10634 for ; Thu, 19 May 94 05:56:59 -0400 Received: by synchro.com (smail2.5) id AA13600; 19 May 94 05:23:20 EDT (Thu) Reply-To: judge at synchro.com (JudgeNet) Errors-To: judge-error at synchro.com Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <9405190523.AA13600 at synchro.com> From: judge-request at synchro.com (JudgeNet Administrator) To: judge-recipients at synchro.com (JudgeNet Recipients) Subject: JudgeNet Digest #764 (May 19, 1994) Date: 19 May 94 05:23:20 EDT (Thu) JudgeNet Digest #764 Thu 19 May 1994 THE BEER JUDGE DIGEST Chuck Cox , publisher Michael Hall , archive administrator digest submissions to judge at synchro.com administrative requests to judge-request at synchro.com send rank updates to the administrative address messages sent to the wrong address will be ignored FTP archive information in /pub/judge/README on cygnus.ta52.lanl.gov Published by SynchroSystems and the Riverside Garage & Brewery Contents: exam scores (Btalk) Top-down vs. Bottom-up/petitioning exam grading (Algis R Korzonas +1 708 979 8583) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 May 94 08:05:34 EDT From: Btalk at aol.com Subject: exam scores With the discussion of questions on the BJCP exam regarding the somewhat more 'obscure' areas of the brewing world - How many perfect scores ( ie 100% right) have there been? Regards, Bob Talkiewicz ------------------------------ Date: 18 May 94 17:49:00 GMT From: korz at iepubj.att.com (Algis R Korzonas +1 708 979 8583) Subject: Top-down vs. Bottom-up/petitioning exam grading The way that I judge a beer is to write the comments and individual scores for each section, add them up and then look at the total score. If I feel that I was too generous and that indeed this is not a 31 beer, then I adjust down. I may further adjust up or down based upon a subsequent discussion with my fellow judges in the flight. I feel that it is important to evaluate the nose immediately and write down the comments on it as quickly as possible. Whether a judge writes all the comments first and then assigns numbers, doesn't bother me. One thing that DID bother me very much was a National judge with whom I judged at the 1993 1st round in Chicago. What he said (as the senior judge in the flight) was: We should pour and judge all the beers one after another (in about 10 minutes) picking the top three. after this, we can assign total scores for these three beers and then the rest just need to score lower. After all of this is done, we independently should fill out scoresheets for all the beers. Sort of like a best-of-show followed by filling out scoresheets. Are you as appalled as I was? I spotted him again at this year's 1st round and warned the judges (who happened to be relatively new judges) with whom he was paired. I told them to resist his method if he offered it and to call over the organizers if he would not back down. Later, I learned that he did try this again and that the judges sucessfully resisted his twisted suggestion. I'm quite certain that 90% or more of the entrants are not submitting beers to the Nationals in an effort to win a medal -- rather they are interested in comments from (allegedly) some of the best judged in the nation. To judge beers as proposed by that National judge, is a great injustice to the brewer who's beer may be judged critically only two and a half hours after the bottle has been opened. I wouldn't pay $8 for that, would you?!? *************** Jim writes: >the questions can not be graded in a totally objective manner. Also the exam >takers do not get their exams back, only a comment sheet. If I feel my exam >has been graded in a less than fair and complete manner how do I go about doing >this? If I ever had questions about how an exam was graded in college I could >go to the prof. with my exam and discuss why or why not I think I was not given >full credit. For $50 I think I should be given this privelage. I favor a more >objectively gradable exam. In a recent BJCP "newsletter" the procedures for petitioning the grade of an exam were outlined, so in fact, it is now possible to contest your score if you believe that it was not fairly assigned. I don't recall the details and recent entrants into the program would not have known this, but I'm sure that some information about it will be distributed along with the exam results. Al. ------------------------------ End of JudgeNet Digest ************************