From synchro!judge-request at uu6.psi.com Wed May 18 06:41:10 1994 Received: from uu6.psi.com by goodman.itn.med.umich.edu with SMTP id AA29702 (5.65b/IDA-1.4.3 for spencer at hendrix.itn.med.umich.edu); Wed, 18 May 94 06:41:06 -0400 Received: from synchro.UUCP by uu6.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA04594 for ; Wed, 18 May 94 06:13:23 -0400 Received: by synchro.com (smail2.5) id AA09276; 18 May 94 05:23:34 EDT (Wed) Reply-To: judge at synchro.com (JudgeNet) Errors-To: judge-error at synchro.com Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <9405180523.AA09276 at synchro.com> From: judge-request at synchro.com (JudgeNet Administrator) To: judge-recipients at synchro.com (JudgeNet Recipients) Subject: JudgeNet Digest #763 (May 18, 1994) Date: 18 May 94 05:23:34 EDT (Wed) JudgeNet Digest #763 Wed 18 May 1994 THE BEER JUDGE DIGEST Chuck Cox , publisher Michael Hall , archive administrator digest submissions to judge at synchro.com administrative requests to judge-request at synchro.com send rank updates to the administrative address messages sent to the wrong address will be ignored FTP archive information in /pub/judge/README on cygnus.ta52.lanl.gov Published by SynchroSystems and the Riverside Garage & Brewery Contents: Thanks (Chuck Cox) Re: exams (Jeff Frane) St Austel's Tinners Bitter (Jim Cave) Exams...newbie (Rich Fortnum) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 May 94 10:06:54 EDT From: chuck at synchro.com (Chuck Cox) Subject: Thanks Stephen Mallery asked me to post the following: > Many thanks to the JudgeNet community for your offers of assistance in > reviewing "Evaluating Beer." I have found a reviewer. I always welcome > offers from prospective authors, so feel free to e-mail article > ideas/proposals anytime. > > -Stephen Mallery > bteditor at aol.com - -- Chuck Cox SynchroSystems / Riverside Garage & Brewery - Cambridge, Mass. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 06:39:05 -0700 (PDT) From: gummitch at teleport.com (Jeff Frane) Subject: Re: exams Jim Liddil wrote: > > Open ended questions are fine to test ones ability to describe a subject > completely. The problem I see with using these questions exclusively is that > the questions can not be graded in a totally objective manner. Also the exam > takers do not get their exams back, only a comment sheet. If I feel my exam > has been graded in a less than fair and complete manner how do I go about doing > this? If I ever had questions about how an exam was graded in college I could > go to the prof. with my exam and discuss why or why not I think I was not given > full credit. For $50 I think I should be given this privelage. I favor a more > objectively gradable exam. > I think Jim makes an excellent point, and not only from the examinees point of view. A number of years ago I proctored an exam, which meant that I scored the results, then passed them on to Colorado, where the were scored again. The results -- which were eventually shared with me - -- did not reflect *my* scoring, and I was never able to adequately determine why. Since one of the people taking the exam was an extremely well-known and well-loved beer writer, I felt that something other than completely objectivity was operating. I still feel that way since no one ever attempted to persuade me otherwise. It has also been pointed out to me by a member of this group that not everyone does well on essay questions, regardless of how thoroughly they know the material. Having always had a knack for, ahem, blarney, I always loved essay questions but I can understand that they are not for everyone. If a very objective series of questions could be designed in multiple choice format, for example, it would not only help prospective judges but would definitely aid in objective evaluation. Hubba hubba. - --Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 11:10:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Cave Subject: St Austel's Tinners Bitter St Austel's is a brewery in Cornwall, England, that has amoung its products, an excellent mild (tankard rating by Camra and 38-40 by my BJCP pallet) and an unusual bitter called Tinners. Tinners bitter, in my opinion has some of the most unusual fermentation characteristics that I have ever tasted in an English style bitter. The flavour is almost tinny, with a woody malty component and hop flavour finish. I sent the yeast (captured from a spent cask) to one of my colleques (PhD student working on yeasts) and he reports at least 10 strains present, some of which are clearly not Sacchromyces. Currently we are trying brewing test with one of the dominant strains. Has anyone else tasted this beer and remembers a similar impression of this most excellent, complex beer (38+ points)? Jim Cave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 May 94 00:44:08 GMT From: Rich Fortnum < at beerich.demon.co.uk:rich at rich.demon.co.uk> Subject: Exams...newbie > If you get 85% on the exam, you don't need to take it again until >you have enough points to try for Master Judge level. Master Judge is 40 >pts and 90% on the exam. Ah, beauty! > I wrote the technical parts of the exam in metric. No problem >there. Ah, beauty! > Big events are usually posted, to Judgenet, for example, or >Zymurgy, or various other beer newsletters. For the AHA Nationals they >send out little cards to all registered judges alerting them who to contact >if they want to participate and so on. Where in CAN are you from? Here in >NS it's a *LONG* way to go to any US competitions, I have to settle for the >CABA events, where I can stay with family in TO and MTL. Ah, beauty! I am from Toronto. I am a CABA member, and want to become more active. Also, I'm a CABAL member (Canadian Association for Better Ales and Lagers). >>Cheers. Facing brewing exams of my own. :-) > > Good luck. Cheers. Might need it. Immense material. >Ed Hitchcock ech at ac.dal.ca | Oxymoron: Draft beer in bottles. | >Anatomy & Neurobiology | Pleonasm: Draft beer on tap. | >Dalhousie University, Halifax |___________________________________| Halifax, eh? Drop into the Granite Brewery and say hello to Jeff Pinhey for me. We're old online buds. Missed him by hours in the Toronto Granite. As for your Oxymorons and Pleonasms, I did my undergrad at Western, in London, Ontario. That's where Labatt's was. They actually had Labatt Genuine Draft on draught. Go figure. Look kids, it's the original draught, as opposed to that fake draught. Slainte! BeeRich Malting, Brewing & Distilling Science Heriot-Watt University Edinburgh, Scotland e-mail: rich at beerich.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ End of JudgeNet Digest ************************