From synchro!judge-request at uu6.psi.com Sat Apr 30 07:41:50 1994 Received: from uu6.psi.com by goodman.itn.med.umich.edu with SMTP id AA20960 (5.65b/IDA-1.4.3 for spencer at hendrix.itn.med.umich.edu); Sat, 30 Apr 94 07:41:46 -0400 Received: from synchro.UUCP by uu6.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA11849 for ; Sat, 30 Apr 94 07:14:18 -0400 Received: by synchro.com (smail2.5) id AA21272; 30 Apr 94 05:21:11 EDT (Sat) Reply-To: judge at synchro.com (JudgeNet) Errors-To: judge-error at synchro.com Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <9404300521.AA21272 at synchro.com> From: judge-request at synchro.com (JudgeNet Administrator) To: judge-recipients at synchro.com (JudgeNet Recipients) Subject: JudgeNet Digest #748 (Apr 30, 1994) Date: 30 Apr 94 05:21:11 EDT (Sat) JudgeNet Digest #748 Sat 30 Apr 1994 THE BEER JUDGE DIGEST Chuck Cox , publisher Michael Hall , archive administrator digest submissions to judge at synchro.com administrative requests to judge-request at synchro.com send rank updates to the administrative address messages sent to the wrong address will be ignored FTP archive information in /pub/judge/README on cygnus.ta52.lanl.gov Published by SynchroSystems and the Riverside Garage & Brewery Contents: Re: horsey porters (Jeff Frane) RE: BJCP Exam (Bob Guerin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Apr 1994 07:12:59 -0700 (PDT) From: gummitch at teleport.com (Jeff Frane) Subject: Re: horsey porters > From: "C. John Mare" > Subject: Re: Brettanomyces in Porter. > > The idea of Brettanomyces presence of "none to medium" as a > descriptor for porter sounds more reasonable to me than requiring the > presence. There are now, and have been for many years, excellent > porters brewed in steel or copper with no Brett presence, and thus > requiring this as a feature would be unreasonable in my view. If > brewers wish to add Brett to obtain an extra dimension, good for > them. Perhaps they will be the winners in competitions because of > this, and we will all learn something ! As a point of clarification: this reference to Brett was in a description of a suggested category: Historical Porters. Stainless steel isn't in the picture. - --Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 1994 19:49:50 -0800 From: bguerin at orincon.com (Bob Guerin) Subject: RE: BJCP Exam After reading the BJCP exam posted by Frank Dobner, I am bothered by some of the questions. > 3. Provide a complete five gallon ALL-GRAIN recipe for OKTOBERFEST listing > ingredients and procedure. Give original and final gravities. Explain why > the recipe fits the style. Since when does a judge need to know how to formulate all-grain recipes? I agree that one should know what malts, hops, and yeast go into a particular style. I would also agree that one should know basically how to produce an all-grain beer (note that mashing techniques are covered in question 8). However, this question seems to require a lot more specifics than that, such as quantities and procedure. Also, why do we need to know the final gravities for different beer styles? Isn't it enough to know the original gravity range and what level of body to expect in the final product? Another bothersome point is the heavy focus on commercial beers. Four of the ten questions involve matching a beer style to a commercial example (or vice versa). A good judge should know these, but four questions? Come on... The test also seems to be shy on questions involving the basic ingredients of beer. On the exam I took several years ago, there was one question involving descriptions and uses of specialty grains, another on the chemical components of hops and how they contribute to the character of beer, and a question about the life cycle of yeast. I think this is a lot more important than knowing that Anchor Steam (tm) is a Steam (CA Common) beer, or that an Oktoberfest requires X pounds of malt mashed at Y degrees for Z minutes. Bob Guerin (bguerin at orincon.com) ------------------------------ End of JudgeNet Digest ************************