From synchro!judge-request at uu6.psi.com Thu Mar 17 06:16:31 1994 Received: from uu6.psi.com by goodman.itn.med.umich.edu with SMTP id AA04827 (5.65b/IDA-1.4.3 for spencer at hendrix.itn.med.umich.edu); Thu, 17 Mar 94 06:16:24 -0500 Received: from synchro.UUCP by uu6.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA13000 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 94 05:48:30 -0500 Received: by synchro.com (smail2.5) id AA02286; 17 Mar 94 05:11:41 EST (Thu) Reply-To: judge at synchro.com (JudgeNet) Errors-To: judge-error at synchro.com Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <9403170511.AA02286 at synchro.com> From: judge-request at synchro.com (JudgeNet Administrator) To: judge-recipients at synchro.com (JudgeNet Recipients) Subject: JudgeNet Digest #715 (Mar 17, 1994) Date: 17 Mar 94 05:11:41 EST (Thu) JudgeNet Digest #715 Thu 17 Mar 1994 THE BEER JUDGE DIGEST Chuck Cox , digest administrator Michael Hall , archive administrator digest submissions to judge at synchro.com administrative requests to judge-request at synchro.com send rank updates to the administrative address messages sent to the wrong address will be ignored FTP archive information in /pub/judge/README on cygnus.ta52.lanl.gov Sponsored by SynchroSystems and the Riverside Garage & Brewery Contents: Re: uniform bottles (Steve Dempsey) Belgian red and brown beers ("Phillip Seitz") ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Mar 94 11:34:34 -0700 From: Steve Dempsey Subject: Re: uniform bottles >From: greg at holton.kgn.ibm.com >Subject: JudgeNet Digest #712 (Mar 14, 1994) > >The "bottle inspection" is an unnecessary formality which has been >dispensed with in every contest in which I have judged, since it doesn't enter >into the 50 point rating system. Then these judges are overlooking potentially useful details. >There is no reason why a judge needs to see the bottles. False. If I sense oxidation, I want to know if the fill level on the bottle was low so I can advise the brewer to minimize head space. If I sense contamination, or if the bottle gushed, I want to see if there was a ring inside the bottle at the fill level so I can tell the brewer I found multiple signs of infection. If the beer seems yeasty, I want to see if there was an inch of sediment in the bottle so I can tell the brewer to rack the beer before bottling. There's plenty of information to be had by inspecting the bottle, much of it useful in confirming or refuting things found in the aroma and flavor evaluations. Besides the information to be gained, there is the bias of non-uniform packaging. A simpler example would be bottles of wine. Given two bottles of wine, one corked and one with screw-on cap, a consumer is going to identify the corked bottle as the superior product because "everyone knows only cheap wine comes in screw-cap bottles". One of the standard rules in any sensory evaluation procedure is to eliminate bias from any source. To this end, competitions require as much as practicable uniform packaging. As a beer judge you may try to ignore bottle variation, but the truth is there will remain subconscious influences. These should be minimized to maintain objectivity. ================================ Engineering Network Services Steve Dempsey Colorado State University steved at longs.lance.colostate.edu Fort Collins, CO 80523 ================================ +1 303 491 0630 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 09:41:13 -0400 From: "Phillip Seitz" Subject: Belgian red and brown beers Frank J Dobner asks: >In Michael Jackson's book World Guide to Beer, he covers many categories >of beers for Belgium. Two of these, I believe, are called red and brown >ales. I am pretty sure that the brown ales would be covered under the >AHA style subcategory called Flander's Brown but where would the red ales >be covered by AHA? The red ale would include Rodenbach Grand Cru I think. Michael Jackson has done a lot to promote beer awareness, but I think he is mistaken in this area. He lumps together all brown beers, making unlikely partners of Liefmans Goudenband and Roman. Yes, they're both brown, and they come from the same place, but otherwise they have very little in common. Likewise he separates out "red" beers, even though Rodenbach is really the only example. (I've have most of the other ones he mentions in his Beers of Belgium, and they're not red, they're brown, or somewhere in between.) In Belgium all tart brown beers are known as oud bruins or veille brunes (depending on your language preference), and this INCLUDES Rodenbach. A good reference for this (if you can get it) is Peter Crombecq's encyclopedia BIER YAARBOEK. See also Pierre Rajotte's BELGIAN ALE book, which as far as style goes is much more accurate than Jackson. I would put other brown beers such as Roman (or, for that matter, De Konninck and Kwak) under Belgian ale or strong ale, as appropriate. ------------------------------ End of JudgeNet Digest ************************