From synchro!judge-request at uu6.psi.com Sat Mar 12 06:39:57 1994 Received: from uu6.psi.com by goodman.itn.med.umich.edu with SMTP id AA10530 (5.65b/IDA-1.4.3 for spencer at hendrix.itn.med.umich.edu); Sat, 12 Mar 94 06:39:53 -0500 Received: from synchro.UUCP by uu6.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA24628 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 94 06:15:17 -0500 Received: by synchro.com (smail2.5) id AA10316; 12 Mar 94 05:12:33 EST (Sat) Reply-To: judge at synchro.com (JudgeNet) Errors-To: judge-error at synchro.com Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <9403120512.AA10316 at synchro.com> From: judge-request at synchro.com (JudgeNet Administrator) To: judge-recipients at synchro.com (JudgeNet Recipients) Subject: JudgeNet Digest #710 (Mar 12, 1994) Date: 12 Mar 94 05:12:33 EST (Sat) JudgeNet Digest #710 Sat 12 Mar 1994 THE BEER JUDGE DIGEST Chuck Cox , digest administrator Michael Hall , archive administrator digest submissions to judge at synchro.com administrative requests to judge-request at synchro.com send rank updates to the administrative address messages sent to the wrong address will be ignored FTP archive information in /pub/judge/README on cygnus.ta52.lanl.gov Sponsored by SynchroSystems and the Riverside Garage & Brewery Contents: Bottles and Judging (John DeCarlo x7116 ) American and British Pale Ales (Frank J Dobner +1 708 979 5124) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Mar 94 08:59:58 EST From: John DeCarlo x7116 Subject: Bottles and Judging (quoted from the Lambic Digest) Phil Seitz: >> At the AWHBTA nobody was thrown out (that I'm aware of) for having >> non-standard bottles, and there were plenty of them. While I don't >> want to encourage this, it's not something that I've seen people get >> trashed for. Of course, if you're going to offer what LOOKs like a >> great lambic, you'd BETTER follow up with the contents! Rick Garvin: >Actually, non-standard bottles were disqualified, but judged so that >the individuals could get the comments. There were three entries from >one person in Grolsch bottles. They were not contenders. >I agree that relaxing the bottle requirement COULD make sense. How do >we address the blind tasting issue? I wonder what other judges think about bottle restrictions. Is this really a "blind tasting" issue or more of an administrative thing or even just a historical issue. After my first official judging, I found lots of bottle variation (different shapes, headspace, bottle caps, etc.) but didn't think if affected the judging. Sure, you could use the info to guess about a problem (carbonation low and headspace high and no yeast cake--maybe you used a CP filler and need to work on technique or equipment), but that is secondary. Is it really likely that if one or two of the bottles were Grolsch-style, or in Corona (clear) bottles that it would affect the judging? I don't see why, personally. Some people are able to identify their beers under the current restrictions (bottle cap or bottle shape, primarily), though presumably the judges judging the beer can't do so. IMNSHO, the bottle shape and color shouldn't matter to the judge. Plus, it is my understanding that if you are sure who made the beer (from whatever clues there are) you would disqualify yourself from judging that one if you felt "compromised". OTOH, to be really radical, I think it would be an interesting experiment to let the judges see the brewer's name, beer name, and recipe on each bottle as they judge. Has anyone ever tried something like this to see if the judging was adversely affected? John DeCarlo, MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA--My views are my own Fidonet: 1:109/131 Internet: jdecarlo at mitre.org ------------------------------ Date: 11 Mar 94 14:47:00 GMT From: fjdobner at ihlpa.att.com (Frank J Dobner +1 708 979 5124) Subject: American and British Pale Ales Pale Alers; As I look at the 1994 Style Guidelines for National Homebrew Comepetition, I see the following for two separate styles: 5. English-style Pale Ale a)Classic English Pale Ale 1.045-56 OG 20-40 IBU 4-11 SRM 6. American-style Pale Ale a)American Pale Ale 1.044-56 OG 20-40 IBU 4-11 SRM Obviously there are differences that are transparent to the granularity of the characteristics above that I am sure I do not understand. Perhaps it is yeast characteristics or hoppiness (flavor or aroma). Can anyone give me objective differences between these two subcategories? Thanks as always. Frank Dobner ------------------------------ End of JudgeNet Digest ************************