From synchro!judge-request at uu6.psi.com Wed Mar 9 06:50:26 1994 Received: from uu6.psi.com by goodman.itn.med.umich.edu with SMTP id AA17578 (5.65b/IDA-1.4.3 for spencer at hendrix.itn.med.umich.edu); Wed, 9 Mar 94 06:50:11 -0500 Received: from synchro.UUCP by uu6.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA23309 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 94 06:02:40 -0500 Received: by synchro.com (smail2.5) id AA26521; 9 Mar 94 05:11:39 EST (Wed) Reply-To: judge at synchro.com (JudgeNet) Errors-To: judge-error at synchro.com Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <9403090511.AA26521 at synchro.com> From: judge-request at synchro.com (JudgeNet Administrator) To: judge-recipients at synchro.com (JudgeNet Recipients) Subject: JudgeNet Digest #707 (Mar 09, 1994) Date: 9 Mar 94 05:11:39 EST (Wed) JudgeNet Digest #707 Wed 09 Mar 1994 THE BEER JUDGE DIGEST Chuck Cox , digest administrator Michael Hall , archive administrator digest submissions to judge at synchro.com administrative requests to judge-request at synchro.com send rank updates to the administrative address messages sent to the wrong address will be ignored FTP archive information in /pub/judge/README on cygnus.ta52.lanl.gov Sponsored by SynchroSystems and the Riverside Garage & Brewery Contents: re: HWBTA results (Jay Hersh) Re: organizing snafus (Steve Dempsey) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 08 Mar 1994 10:43:35 EST From: Jay Hersh Subject: re: HWBTA results >4) What are we going to do with all the horrible beers we get entered in >Herb and specialty? > >I personally would like to have a Biohazard sticker placed on every >bottle and send them to the EPA. They are generally bad or horrible and >it is VERY hard to find enough judges to take the style. > >However, the comments that I got from the judges was "There were a few >entries that made it worth wading through all of the ugly ones." I was told the entire point of havingthe HWBTA entries forwarded through shopkeepers was that they were supposed to serve as a first line filter to keep really awful beers from entering. Thus in theory all the beers in the HWBTA should be reasonable and the goal of the contest is not, unlike the AHA contests, to provide feedback *and* pick winners, but just pick winners. So either this is hogwash and the restriction of having beers go through shopkeepers just annoying barrier to entry, or the system is not working as designed. JaH ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Mar 94 17:00:57 MST From: Steve Dempsey Subject: Re: organizing snafus In JudgeNet Digest #706 Rick Garvin writes: >1) If a judge feels that a beer is mislabeled, what do you do? Check the records and see if you can straigten it out on the spot. If not, ask them to judge it as-is. Make a note of it and try to track it down later. If it turned out to be your fault (or looks like it might have been your fault), send a note back to the entrant with a note explaining the problem and refund the entry fee. These usually show up in pairs when entry numbers get transposed somehow. Sometimes you end up with one odd bottle, or the odd bottle contains the same beer as another entry from the same brewer, and it's more obvious that the brewer sent the wrong bottle. >The problem that we have with the HWBTA was the number of people that >handled each beer. First the brewer, then the sponsoring shop, then the >receiving shop, then the head steward. Too many. We need to remove a few >steps. Only one person should separate the paperwork from the bottle and record the appropriate information linking the bottle's entry number to the paperwork. If you have several people shuffling things multiple times, you're going to get mix-ups. If one person does this critical step and handles every bottle at least once, s/he easily should be able to track down any problems that appear later. I did it this way last year at the AHA nationals in Denver. We had one pair of bottles out of 846 mixed up; they were caught in time to be judged correctly. >2) What about beers entered in more than one category? If you want to disqualify a single beer from winning multiple awards, this must be specified in the rules; maybe you want to include this for next year's rule revisions. I've only seen limitations of one award per brewer per major category, but one award per beer does not seem too restrictive. Anyway, the only place this really should happen is the specialties. >3) What about judges who did not request or ask not to judge a style but >refuse to judge the style assigned? >...I had >the judge wait for no shows and then gave him pick of the empty seats. A reasonable solution. You asked in advance for preferences and dislikes. The judge can't bitch about being assigned to a category if s/he didn't specify that would be a problem. >4) What are we going to do with all the horrible beers we get entered in >Herb and specialty? Use them for judge training, as examples of imbalance, infection, or whatever. Or play the beer drinking equivalent of Russian Roulette -- open bottles until you find a gem, or until your tongue is numb from abuse. Or just dump them and reuse/recycle the bottles. ================================ Engineering Network Services Steve Dempsey Colorado State University steved at longs.lance.colostate.edu Fort Collins, CO 80523 ================================ +1 303 491 0630 ------------------------------ End of JudgeNet Digest ************************