From JudgeNet Mon Aug 3 18:26:57 1992 Subject: Re: bjcp exam questions chuck said> >If the questions become too specific or concise, it may be necessary to >create different questions for different judge ranks. Why?? since the ranks are linked to test scores, harder questions, or specific ones would tend to compliment this stratification. Perhaps I misunderstand would you care to elaborate (BTW last time I asked someone to elaborate it was JS, and I got flamed for it, I expect Chuck will take my request a little better... :-) Other comments... Why invent a question on a fictitious problem beer, rather than making one of the four beers served an actual problem beer??? In general Chuck's comments are very good... JaH -------------------------------------- From JudgeNet Mon Aug 3 19:25:49 1992 Subject: Re: bjcp exam questions Jay Hersh sez... > chuck said> > > >If the questions become too specific or concise, it may be necessary to > >create different questions for different judge ranks. > > Why?? since the ranks are linked to test scores, harder questions, or specific > ones would tend to compliment this stratification. Perhaps I misunderstand > would you care to elaborate (BTW last time I asked someone to elaborate > it was JS, and I got flamed for it, I expect Chuck will take my request > a little better... :-) You bloated sack of protoplasm! How dare you request an elaboration! You must be part of a dark and evil conspiracy B-) Meanwhile back on planet earth... My point was that if a question was too specific, it wouldn't allow a large enough range of possible answers. The example I gave in my original posting was a TRUE/FALSE question; there is only one right answer, how do you differentiate a 2 point answer from an 8 point answer? By specific, I was referring to the type of answer required, not the topic of the question. > Why invent a question on a fictitious problem beer, rather than making > one of the four beers served an actual problem beer??? Currently, the examiner simply rounds up some samples of homebrew. Perhaps you could try to establish some minimum criteria for the beers, but it is hard enough getting volunteers without increasing the workload. --- Chuck Cox chuck at synchro.com In de hemel is geen bier, daarom drinken wij het hier. -------------------------------------- From JudgeNet Tue Aug 4 11:37:51 1992 From: uunet!cygnus.ta52.lanl.gov!mlh at uunet.UU.NET (Michael L. Hall) Subject: Re: bjcp exam questions Chuck writes: > My point was that if a question was too specific, it wouldn't allow a > large enough range of possible answers. The example I gave in my > original posting was a TRUE/FALSE question; there is only one right > answer, how do you differentiate a 2 point answer from an 8 point > answer? By specific, I was referring to the type of answer required, not > the topic of the question. > Well, one way to get around this problem would be to have a large objective (T/F, multiple choice, matching) part to the exam. Maybe have a hundred T/F questions. Maybe the other half of the exam would be essay, to test writing skills. Then each of the T/F questions would only be worth half a point, and the number you got right could be indicative of your level. It would be easy to include several questions at different levels of knowledge, to be able to use the same test for all of the ranks. It would be easier to grade, too. Just a thought. > > Why invent a question on a fictitious problem beer, rather than making > > one of the four beers served an actual problem beer??? > > Currently, the examiner simply rounds up some samples of homebrew. > Perhaps you could try to establish some minimum criteria for the beers, > but it is hard enough getting volunteers without increasing the workload. > When I took the test, the examiner included a beer that had problems (skunky) and one which was mis-categorized. I thought that this was a great idea, since that's what we get in the competition sometimes. Mike Hall hall at lanl.gov -------------------------------------- From JudgeNet Tue Aug 4 13:53:15 1992 From: Jay Hersh Subject: Re: bjcp exam questions >You bloated sack of protoplasm! How dare you request an elaboration! >You must be part of a dark and evil conspiracy B-) From one sack of protoplasm to another :-)... > By specific, I was referring to the type of answer required, not the topic of the question. Thanks, that makes more sense. >> Why invent a question on a fictitious problem beer, rather than making >> one of the four beers served an actual problem beer??? > >Currently, the examiner simply rounds up some samples of homebrew. >Perhaps you could try to establish some minimum criteria for the beers, >but it is hard enough getting volunteers without increasing the workload. my experience with these tests is limited, the one I took, and one I once helped Charlie Olchowski proctor an exam. On both of these occasions a damaged beer was included, so I am not sure that it is so difficult to locate one that it couldn't be a requirement. JaH -------------------------------------- From JudgeNet Tue Aug 4 13:53:48 1992 From: Darryl Richman Subject: Re: bjcp exam questions Jay Hersh writes: > Other comments... > > Why invent a question on a fictitious problem beer, rather than making > one of the four beers served an actual problem beer??? Don't all of the BJCP exams include a problem beer? The ones I've proctored always do, and I feel that the comments on the problem beer are probably more relevent than on the good beers. --Darryl Richman -------------------------------------- From JudgeNet Tue Aug 4 14:26:54 1992 From: Darryl Richman Subject: Re: bjcp exam questions Chuck Cox writes: > Jay Hersh sez... > > Why invent a question on a fictitious problem beer, rather than making > > one of the four beers served an actual problem beer??? > > Currently, the examiner simply rounds up some samples of homebrew. > Perhaps you could try to establish some minimum criteria for the beers, > but it is hard enough getting volunteers without increasing the workload. I used to ask people who brought in flawed beers to the Falcon's Troubleshooters Corner if they had any more like that at home that they would donate. Of course, by the time the test would roll around, the beer would be old and oxidized, but hey, extra credit points if the examinees get that too. The last time I was called on to proctor, up in the Great White North of Vancouver, they supplied the beers, so I came prepared with some lactic acid, just in case it was necessary. --Darryl Richman -------------------------------------- From JudgeNet Tue Aug 18 14:33:22 1992 From: Chuck Cox Subject: JudgeNet Who's Who (8/92) Here's the current JudgeNet membership list. There are currently 91 subscribers. I see what appears to be an Australian address. How many subscribers are outside the US? -- Chuck Cox In de hemel is geen bier, daarom drinken wij het hier. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- JudgeNet is an Internet mailing list dedicated to the discussion of issues of interest to beer judges and homebrew competition organizers. 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apprentice -------------------------------------- From JudgeNet Wed Aug 19 22:16:44 1992 From: Kurt Swanson Subject: Re: Who's not American... Loss of judge status... > > Here's the current JudgeNet membership list. > There are currently 91 subscribers. > > I see what appears to be an Australian address. > How many subscribers are outside the US? > I am! And it looks like I'll be away from US judging for 4 years - just enough time for me to lose my judge status! Are there any AHA sanctioned competitions in Sweden, and/or the rest of northern europe? I really don't want to take that 4 hour test again if I go back to the US... -- Kurt Swanson, Dept. of Computer Science, Lunds universitet. Kurt.Swanson at dna.lth.se -------------------------------------- From JudgeNet Fri Aug 21 02:24:10 1992 From: chuck at synchro.com (Chuck Cox) Subject: Re: Who's not American... Loss of judge status... Kurt Swanson sez... > > > How many subscribers are outside the US? > > > I am! And it looks like I'll be away from US judging for 4 years - > just enough time for me to lose my judge status! Are there any AHA > sanctioned competitions in Sweden, and/or the rest of northern europe? > I really don't want to take that 4 hour test again if I go back to the US... I don't think the BJCP, AHA, or HWBTA operate outside of North America. Are there any homebrew competition sanctioning bodies outside the US? I know there is some concern within the BJCP about unfairly de-certifying judges who move outside the US. My personal opinion is that we should establish some criteria for 'alternative' acceptable experience. I think CAMRA (UK), PINT (NL), and the Objective Bierproevers (Belgium) all sanction commercial beer competitions, perhaps participation in such a competition would be acceptable experience. There may be similar societies in other countries. -- Chuck Cox In de hemel is geen bier, daarom drinken wij het hier. -------------------------------------- From JudgeNet Fri Aug 21 03:08:17 1992 From: Darryl Richman Subject: Re: Who's not American... Loss of judge status... Kurt Swanson writes: > > Here's the current JudgeNet membership list. > > There are currently 91 subscribers. > > > > I see what appears to be an Australian address. > > How many subscribers are outside the US? > > > I am! And it looks like I'll be away from US judging for 4 years - > just enough time for me to lose my judge status! Are there any AHA > sanctioned competitions in Sweden, and/or the rest of northern europe? > I really don't want to take that 4 hour test again if I go back to the US... And you're not alone. I've been speaking with a fellow in the Netherlands who is already on inactive status, even though he's quite active in PINT and Den Objectief Bierproeven (Dutch and Belgian beer organizations, respectively), and judges frequently in Europe. He's been petitioning the BJCP to find some way to remain on their active list without having to fly over here every other year. I don't know what his status is, but if there are enough voices, the BJCP will probably find a way... --Darryl Richman -------------------------------------- From JudgeNet Fri Aug 21 03:25:29 1992 From: Jay Hersh Subject: Re: Who's not American... Loss of judge status... >I am! And it looks like I'll be away from US judging for 4 years - just enough time for me to lose my judge status! Can't you write them and arrange a hiatus. It's not like you're stopping due to lack of interest. I think there should be some method of appeal for reasonable situations... JaH -------------------------------------- From JudgeNet Fri Aug 21 22:27:37 1992 From: "Rad Equipment" Subject: Re- Loss of Judge Status Subject: Re: Loss of Judge Status Time:7:54 AM Date:8/21/92 The BJCC which oversees the BJCP has this topic on it's agenda this year and is working out the details on how to maintain judges who live abroad and don't have access to sanctioned competitions. RW... Russ Wigglesworth CI$: 72300,61 |~~| UCSF Medical Center Internet: Rad Equipment at RadMac1.ucsf.edu |HB|\ Dept. of Radiology, Rm. C-324 Voice: 415-476-3668 / 474-8126 (H) |__|/ San Francisco, CA 94143-0628 -------------------------------------- From JudgeNet Wed Aug 26 06:36:37 1992 From: uunet!iepubj.att.com!korz at uunet.UU.NET Subject: Keeping your status Regarding keeping your status, why don't you: 1. Form a club. 2. Teach them to be judges. 3. Organize an exam (you get points for this too, as you know). 4. Organize an AHA sanctioned competition (points + you get to judge and keep your status active) Al. --------------------------------------